Despite Outcry, SYG laws repeal unlikely

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

http://news.yahoo.com/despite-outcry-stand-ground-law-repeals-unlikely-154400836.html

Call this "in before the fade"

The issue will go away now, there will be no repeals of SYG in any state which has it, and there will be no Fed prosecution of GZ. There will be no more demonstrations...the bg weekend has passed. There was no violence except in some gun free zones.

TM will best serve the future by standing as an example for NOT attacking your neighbors. His death can be laid squarely on Dee Dee-saurus who told him not to go home so the "creepy-### cracker" would not know where he lived. Too bad he didn't ignore her and just go home.

The suggestions that "justice" for TM is repealing laws which would make it easier for more people to be attacked is ridiculous.

It won't happen.

[slim 1,525]

Gary is right again.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Gary is right again.

Happens a lot. Drives his lab rats nuts

http://news.yahoo.com/despite-outcry-stand-ground-law-repeals-unlikely-154400836.html

Call this "in before the fade"

The issue will go away now, there will be no repeals of SYG in any state which has it, and there will be no Fed prosecution of GZ. There will be no more demonstrations...the bg weekend has passed. There was no violence except in some gun free zones.

TM will best serve the future by standing as an example for NOT attacking your neighbors. His death can be laid squarely on Dee Dee-saurus who told him not to go home so the "creepy-#### cracker" would not know where he lived. Too bad he didn't ignore her and just go home.

The suggestions that "justice" for TM is repealing laws which would make it easier for more people to be attacked is ridiculous.

It won't happen.

The SYG noise is called saving face, cause the TM/GA case is over and there is not one damn thing they can do about. We use to call that a feint on maneuvers.

[slim 1,525]

And then they'll have to give GZ his gun back too!

[lostinblue 1,989]

The only thing this did was give a forum to the shake down artist .....The glory days of the civil rights movement are long gone and .his kid is doing time. .... So sad he could not teach Dr Kings values and morals to his offspring..

[GandD 5,966]

You guys are gonna hurt yourself if you keep patting yourselves on the back. Maybe an arm strain.

[Darnell 8,478]

who knows? A well hidden PAC might simply just fund the legislation and select members of state legislatures...

[GandD 5,966]

Hey original avatar back. Sweet!

[mrrobj 20]

http://news.yahoo.com/despite-outcry-stand-ground-law-repeals-unlikely-154400836.html

Call this "in before the fade"

The issue will go away now, there will be no repeals of SYG in any state which has it, and there will be no Fed prosecution of GZ. There will be no more demonstrations...the bg weekend has passed. There was no violence except in some gun free zones.

TM will best serve the future by standing as an example for NOT attacking your neighbors. His death can be laid squarely on Dee Dee-saurus who told him not to go home so the "creepy-#### cracker" would not know where he lived. Too bad he didn't ignore her and just go home.

The suggestions that "justice" for TM is repealing laws which would make it easier for more people to be attacked is ridiculous.

It won't happen.

I agree, in part.

I agree there probably will be no federal prosecution of GZ, it is a high burden to prove intent.

Nonetheless, with some Republicans and Democrats asking for a review of SYG laws, I think some amendments will be made. They may not outright repeal them in all states, but I think it is very possible they will be amended to some extent and rightfully so.

There is a lot of common-sense support for the notion that a person shouldn’t be found guilty of a crime if they act in self-defense.

Despite this, SYG laws could be dangerous to some degree, primarily because the laws could be too vague. Right now, there’s no absolute standard in these laws to make a definite determination as to when you are in danger of death or great bodily harm, and the law seems likely to encourage paranoiacs to misread and escalate any type of situation. This is the reason why we rely on paid police officers to defend us, rather than arming a bunch of jittery citizens and telling them to use their best judgment.

Why do we want to live a war zone, whereas everyone is free to make their own judgment calls?

Take the case of Michael Dunn, a white man who fired a pistol into an SUV filled with black teenagers in a Jacksonville parking lot, killing 17-year-old Jordan Davis. Though the confrontation began when Dunn asked Davis and company to turn down their music, Dunn claimed that he only fired after the car’s occupants menaced him with a shotgun. Police have found no evidence that the occupants were armed. Dunn is expected to invoke stand your ground.

What the Dunn case shows is that stand your ground can give people tacit permission to be more reckless and confrontational than they otherwise might. These incidents will only continue to increase and therefore I fully understand why some are asking for a simple review of these laws. Not an outright repeal, but a review and/or more clarification to avoid unnecessary conflicts.

I don’t buy the argument that the world will be safer when people are allowed to pop off a round whenever they spot trouble in their rear-view mirrors. And I disagree with the idea that law-abiding citizens shouldn’t ever have to retreat in the face of danger. The real world is not a Death Wish movie. It does not need more hyper-aggressive vigilantes who see it as their responsibility to take back the streets. George Zimmerman felt threatened by a stranger, so he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, who was armed with a can of tea and a bag of Skittles.

Whether or not you believe GZ was attacked and used justifiable force....it should not be laws on the books that allows someone who behaved like Zimmerman to avoid standing trial for his actions. The current SYG laws makes this possible and it shouldn't be that way.

[slim 1,525]

George Zimmerman felt threatened by a stranger, so he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, who was armed with a can of tea and a bag of Skittles.

Whether or not you believe GZ was attacked and used justifiable force....it should not be laws on the books that allows someone who behaved like Zimmerman to avoid standing trial for his actions. The current SYG laws makes this possible and it shouldn't be that way.

So you'd legislate "all self defense trials where the deceased is unarmed or no weapons are found" would go to trial?

[mrrobj 20]

So you'd legislate "all self defense trials where the deceased is unarmed or no weapons are found" would go to trial?

"Legislate all self defense trials"......I don't even understand what that means.

It was conflicting evidence in the GZ's case, therefore, I believe a trial should have taken place, at the bare minimum.

[slim 1,525]

"Legislate all self defense trials"......I don't even understand what that means.

It was conflicting evidence in the GZ's case, therefore, I believe a trial should have taken place, at the bare minimum.

What evidence was conflicting? This case was pretty cut and dry that's why GZ wasn't even charged in the first place.

[mrrobj 20]

What evidence was conflicting? This case was pretty cut and dry that's why GZ wasn't even charged in the first place.

First, some of the witnesses to the incident were not even interviewed until weeks later and AFTER GZ was released.

It was conflicting testimony as to who was on top during the fight, who was screaming on the phone, the route that Trayvon took, what reasons GZ was following him, etc, etc.....

Again, too much conflicting evidence for not even a trial or arrest to take place.

At end of the day, an unarmed teenager was shot and killed.

We can agree and disagree on who was right or wrong in this altercation, but it was far from a cut and dry self defense case.

And yes, no charges were made that nite.......but officers were disciplined for their actions that nite as while. You can argue this discipline was political, but others will argue it was faulty police work.

Nonetheless, at the end of the day, too much conflicting evidence and facts for any immediate decision.

[slim 1,525]

Are those "facts" you heard form Al Sharpton and MSNBC?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Are those "facts" you heard form Al Sharpton and MSNBC?

Thank you for taking up some of my slack. It's a little boring with all the Govt furloughs the Libtards are gone Fri-Sat

We will be over run again in the AM