All Potential and Former Legal Emigrants Coming to the US-- Take the Time to Take Steps against Amnesty!

[mrrobj 20]

I'd be all for that. That would be good for both the petitioner and the beneficiary. How can you really know someone in one trip and a bunch of Skype conversations?

If that's the case, why did all these DACA get put in line with all the legal applications?

I was speaking in regards the Immigration bill that is currently being debated in Congress. It hasn't been implemented yet or even passed thru Congress to become an actual law yet.....so I'm confused as to what you mean by "all these DACA" that were put in line with legal applications.

[Peikko 1,575]

Here at Visa Journeys I have read the most heart breaking stories. Bright young professionals denied their dream jobs due to the shortage of work visas. Bright students denied F-1 visas to fulfill their dreams of studying in America. Lovers whose relationship is torn to shreds by years of waiting on a K-1 visa from the California (Dis-) Service Center. Husbands and Wives separated for years on end due to heartless, racist "Administrative Processing." Yet all these people bear with the system, continue to work in it, do NOT engage in ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. They follow the rules and waited (and continue to wait...and wait...and wait) with untold patience. Now the US Senate has passed a bill which is a slap in the face to all of them, a new bill that will give legal status to millions of illegal immigrants who jumped the line, came here illegally, and got by by hook or crook. Meanwhile, the bill gives the hollow, oft heard promise of clearing the backlog.......... by 2021. 2021, 8 years from now. This from the same government that promised to clear the backlog back in 2002 when Bush II created the USCIS, the same government which had to delay the roll-out of their own health care plan by 1 year due to mismanagement and poor planning. The same government that delayed processing of fiance and spouse visas at the California service center for over a year to implement the President's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, which gave illegal youth brought here as children legal residence, and is likely to do the same thing to law-abiding people working to come here legally on an even more massive scale this time with all of the nation's estimated 11 million illegal immigrants. The bill makes this empty promise of "clearing the backlog" without defining how, without giving more funding to the USCIS (which is chronically understaffed, not to mention badly run), without reducing the ridiculous amount of paperwork and steps needed to immigrate legally, and without addressing the racist use of "Administrative Processing" to delay and harass certain income levels, ethnic groups, and religions.

But the bill has not passed yet. It still has to pass a House of Representatives which is controlled by an overwhelmingly hostile Republican party. Despite this obstacle, several big business lobbies, huge Latino-orientated interest groups, and Democratic strategists are working around the clock to convince the 20 Republicans they would need to pass the bill. But we have a voice, too. Please click on the below link, send faxes to your representative, call them, and tell them to vote NO! on amnesty and YES! for real immigration reform that rewards the patient, law-abiding people who are waiting in line to come here the right way! Thank you!

https://www.numbersusa.com/sendfax?refer=content%2Fmy%2Faction%2Fboard

The wait for legal immigration has nothing to do with the problem of undocumented immigrants so wanting to link them is ridiculous. You and your significant other had the option to go the legal route or the illegal route and for some reason you chose the legal option - would that be because the legal option is a guaranteed process that eliminates any possibility of ending up in jail, deported or permanently excluded from having your significant other live with you in the US?

Whether or not any or all of the undocumented immigrants end up with a legal route to stay has absolutely no affect on the process you chose so quit whining and using it as an excuse for your impatience. Hate on them all you want, I really do not care either way, but know this, your wait for the legal immigration process will not be affected one iota. Enjoy.

[Karee 4,191]

I was speaking in regards the Immigration bill that is currently being debated in Congress. It hasn't been implemented yet or even passed thru Congress to become an actual law yet.....so I'm confused as to what you mean by "all these DACA" that were put in line with legal applications.

DACA = Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals

My point is what about all the legal people currently waiting in line? What about people that wait for a year or more that are going through this process the legal way? #### them?

Just for the record, I have no skins in this game. My wife is a citizen.

[Peikko 1,575]

DACA = Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals

My point is what about all the legal people currently waiting in line? What about people that wait for a year or more that are going through this process the legal way? #### them?

Just for the record, I have no skins in this game. My wife is a citizen.

The two things are not related.

[Karee 4,191]

Whether or not any or all of the undocumented immigrants end up with a legal route to stay has absolutely no affect on the process you chose so quit whining and using it as an excuse for your impatience. Hate on them all you want, I really do not care either way, but know this, your wait for the legal immigration process will not be affected one iota. Enjoy.

How do you know that? Do you have some insight that others don't? Or maybe you're just making $hit up so that it fits you're narrative?

[mrrobj 20]

No, the debate is more about what is going to prevent people from breaking the law in the future, when they know they will be rewarded for it later?

You're right about the last part. It's a great way to get a bunch of registered Democrats on the voting rolls.

I agree, we shouldn't be awarding then later for breaking the law.

But the fact and the reality of the situation is very clear. The US is NOT going to deport 11 million people, it's just not going to happen.

Given this reality, how do you move forward?

We should obviously move forward in a manner that is going to benefit our Country as a whole.

The fact that we continue to have so many illegal immigrants in this Country is affecting legal citizens more than you may want to accept....

Everything from getting jobs at lower wages, causing havoc in our Immigration system, etc....

Ignoring this matter and not taking steps to bringing these people out of woods OR self deportation.....it's simply not the best options.....

[Karee 4,191]

The two things are not related.

Of course they are related. Both require filing applications with USCIS. There are x number of adjudicators. Simple math tells you that more petitions filed means longer wait times.

[Karee 4,191]

I agree, we shouldn't be awarding then later for breaking the law.

But the fact and the reality of the situation is very clear. The US is NOT going to deport 11 million people, it's just not going to happen.

Given this reality, how do you move forward?

We should obviously move forward in a manner that is going to benefit our Country as a whole.

The fact that we continue to have so many illegal immigrants in this Country is affecting legal citizens more than you may want to accept....

Everything from getting jobs at lower wages, causing havoc in our Immigration system, etc....

Ignoring this matter and not taking steps to bringing these people out of woods OR self deportation.....it's simply not the best options.....

They need to go after the people that employ them. And I mean go after them hardcore. Make it so that is financial suicide to employ illegal immigrants. Then watch how quickly they return home. That's the first step.

One thing that's for sure, both parties love illegal immigrants despite what they say. The Dems want them because they want the votes. The Pubs want them because their corporate masters love the cheap labor with no silly labor regulations.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I guess logic doesn't come into reason, because it would take Trillions of dollars to deport the millions of illegal immigrants in this country.

At least with this Immigration bill, it would put more tax dollars into our system and avoid the necessity of breaking up so mny families for mistakes their parents or grand parents made many, many years ago....

The bill already requires them to get in the back of the Immigration line and allow those who entered in the process legally to go first.....

It would almost take 13 years to gain citizenship in the Immigration bill, but some want you to believe they will get "amnesty" overnite....give me a break!!.....it's not even including all the obstacles they have to overcome to gain citizenship, pay fines/back taxes, learn English and complete background checks, etc.....

This whole immigration debate about amnesty is really quite simple....its a fear from those who are already becoming the minority in this Country and they are running scared....

Perhaps, but it it the LEGAL minority.

[Peikko 1,575]

How do you know that? Do you have some insight that others don't? Or maybe you're just making $hit up so that it fits you're narrative?

Um, I wonder how I could possibly know this?

What narrative am I trying to fit by the way? You'd have to be a complete moron to choose illegal immigration if you have the option to go the legal route. The legal route has a wait time that is sometimes longer, sometimes shorter, but it's not affected in any way at all by what may or may not happen to undocumented migrants. Still, if anyone wants to try the other route because they are pissed of with wait times, that's their choice.

[thedude6752000 360]

The wait for legal immigration has nothing to do with the problem of undocumented immigrants so wanting to link them is ridiculous. You and your significant other had the option to go the legal route or the illegal route and for some reason you chose the legal option - would that be because the legal option is a guaranteed process that eliminates any possibility of ending up in jail, deported or permanently excluded from having your significant other live with you in the US?

Whether or not any or all of the undocumented immigrants end up with a legal route to stay has absolutely no affect on the process you chose so quit whining and using it as an excuse for your impatience. Hate on them all you want, I really do not care either way, but know this, your wait for the legal immigration process will not be affected one iota. Enjoy.

Please see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmXK3rIXuKE&list=LLQvSC7CE93PWq7IrPCGgh7w

The administration (which I worked for in 2012 as a Field Organizer, BTW, back when I thought immigration "reform" was going to help legal immigrants like my fiancee and soon to be wife) pushed people to the back of the line in favor of illegal DACA applicants. They set a goal of 6 months for DACA and 3-5 months for I-129's, but in reality the DACA's were completed in 1-3 months and the I-129's were pushed back for a year and the I-130's were all sent to local service centers where the wait time for an NOA2 went up to around 8 months (AFTER getting shipped there). I worked for the man, I believed in him, but Obama stabbed legal immigrants in the back by prioritizing DACA for illegals.

Why should we believe the Dems and pro-immigrant Repubs (who only care about Latino votes and big business special interests) won't do the same thing again? And why doesn't this bill address any of the problems I pointed out? Why doesn't it give federal funding to the USCIS to hire more adjudicators? Why doesn't it reduce the amount of paperwork? Why doesn't it reduce the number of steps for legal visas like the K-1 and IR-1? Why does it set 2021, 8 years from now, as the date to clear the backlog, when illegals will begin applying for citizenship at before that date? This is not reform, this is pandering at its worst. Accuse me being a white-latino hater (despite the fact that I am marrying a Muslim woman from India and I worked for Obama's campaign), I don't care, politics aside there is no way you can justify what this bill would mean for law-abiding people who followed and continue to follow the rules.

Edited July 21, 2013 by thedude6752000

[mrrobj 20]

Perhaps, but it it the LEGAL minority.

But the LEGAL majority rules at the end of day, at least in a democratic society.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

But the LEGAL majority rules at the end of day, at least in a democratic society.

Take the door off of your house and let them in.

[Peikko 1,575]

Of course they are related. Both require filing applications with USCIS. There are x number of adjudicators. Simple math tells you that more petitions filed means longer wait times.

Any new policy implemented has to have a budget allocation assigned to it that covers its entire implementation, they can't just pass a law that requires funding and not assign a budget to it, that's not how government works. The budget allocation for current immigration policies may be reduced but I to not think that's very likely. I guess they might freeze the funding for a while but they can't rob Peter to pay Paul.

[mrrobj 20]

They need to go after the people that employ them. And I mean go after them hardcore. Make it so that is financial suicide to employ illegal immigrants. Then watch how quickly they return home. That's the first step.

One thing that's for sure, both parties love illegal immigrants despite what they say. The Dems want them because they want the votes. The Pubs want them because their corporate masters love the cheap labor with no silly labor regulations.

Karee, like I indicated in a prior post. I don't take sides with anyone. My opinions are derived from my own opinions and how "I" see the facts in any case.

I obviously do not agree with you on a lot of topics, but I agree with your above mentioned statement 100%.

BTW, I'm a US citizen and my wife was brought here from (Korat) Thailand on a K1 visa.