immigrant visa in China

[BenJX 0]

Hi Darnell, swzeng

I had two problems here. I know you can help me. Thanks a lot in advance.

In filling out Affidavit of Support, what is the number you copied from the tax transcript to form I864? is it the first line (wages, salaries, tips) or the last line (total income) of the first block? I used the last line but I was told that is not corrent and I shoud use the first line. What did you use? I think I was correct and NVC was wrong.

Another weird thing is that I was told that our marriage certificate was in an old version (We did it in December of 2012). We should redo it in new version. Is this true?

I talked to a supervisor and these were what she told me. I do not think she is correct on both counts. What can I do? Can I talk to her supervisor? or other supervisor? The marriage certificate was in my name, now I am thinking, perhaps this is the reason. How can we find out the true reason to get them fixed and be done with NVC?

After almost a month and then get a checklist for stupid things!

By the way, this is regarding immigrant visa in China.

Thanks a lot if you or any one can help me!

Have a great weekend!

[Darnell 8,478]

I am not near my gear at the moment, but I vaguely remember using line 22 from a 1040 for prior years income.

re: marriage certificate - this is supposed to be a 'white book' - a notarial document translating all from chinese into English. I note some districts in China are not consistent with making a white book.

Can you describe each page of the white book, here in your topic?

[Darnell 8,478]

Can you describe each page of the white book, here in your topic?

[BenJX 0]

Hi Darnell,

I sent the scanned copy of the so-called "white book" to NVC, but I was told in the checklist that I still need to send in the beneficiary's marriage certificate. The checklist did not specify what was wrong with the white-book. I am at lost and need help!!! By the way, this is the same copy I sent to USCIS.

To answer your question, I studied the white-book. They are as follows:

There are a total of six sections, each of which may contain more than one page,but most just one page.

Section 1，multiple pages, a copy of the chinese version of the certificate.

Section 2, one page, the notarial certificate in Chinese saying the copy in section 1 is the same as the one issued to me.

Section 3, two pages, translation of the marriage certificate.

Section 4, one page, the notarial certificate mentioned in section 2 in English.

Section 5, one page, notarial certificate in Chinese saying the translation is the same as the original.

Section 6, one page, the above notarial certificate in English

[BenJX 0]

Darnell,

I knew that I filled out I864 correctly, but NVC wanted me to fill in with the wage, salaries, line. Thye even said that this is because i used the tax transcripts. i do not know what to do:

1. If I follow NVC, then the form was filled out wrong, what if it was caught in Guangzhou, do I then have to do it one more time just backwardly?****

2. I know you had great experience with calling NVC, I want to call NVC on Monday to convince them to accept my correct version. But how to do it? I already talked to one supervisor, I do not think she knows her work or just brain dead in Friday afternoon. Are there any other options to have somebody overwrite this supervisor's decision? Or is she the person who reviewed it? i think she is just the supervisor of the operators who take calls. she may not know much about the actual paperwork. Can I switch supervisor?

thanks.

[Darnell 8,478]

re: post #4. That's a regular 'white book' for the marriage certificate.

I must assume the folk at NVC are brain-dead at the moment. If I were in yer shoes, I'd be on the phone with any supervisor, a complaining, and then sending it on to the new supervisor to get it sorted.

[Darnell 8,478]

are you using the old I-864 or the current one?

the old one is 8 pages, the current one is 9 pages.

[BenJX 0]

Hi Darnell，

Thanks for your kind feedback. Regarding my post #4 (the marriage certificate), my wife, the beneficiary, who is in china now, and me are thinking redo the whitebook. Really do not know what to do, just for the heck of it.

1. We got the notarial certificate in Beijing in December, 2012.

2. I carefully studied the notarial certificate, after you asked. The certificate just states that the original marriage certificate we got in china, the red book, is the same as the photocopy attached in the white book. This is kind of screwy here if one really thinks about it. Who cares about that the red book is true. What we and others want is the fact that the two persons mentioned in the red book married.

3. ****I think this might be what did it ****. I do not know, really at the end of wisdom.

The notarial certificate states that the red book given to ***!!! Me !!!***, not my wife, who is immigrating, is true. As you know, in china, one person is given a copy of the red book. We used the one given to me for the marriage notarial certificate.

Best,

[BenJX 0]

Hi Darnell,

regarding I864, I used the version with an expiry of 2015.

Thanks.

[Darnell 8,478]

there are 2 red books - one is issued to you, one is issued to your wife.

I note the one we translated was the one issued to her.

i have some time this afternoon, i'll run through what's what again.

[BenJX 0]

Darnell,

The notarial certificate for the marriage certificate states only that the copy of the marriage certificate in the notarial certificate is the same as the original issued to me, in my name. There could be two problems:

1. Since the notarial certificate is in my name, and the reviewer is looking for my wife's name. He or she might think I sent in the wrong document unless he/she read the English translation of the marriage certificate, where both names are shown.

2. The notarial certificate I got was wrong. It should state that both my wife and I got married and at what day and where. Instead, it states that the copy I gave to them is true as the original. Functionally the same but technically different.

3. I saw other marriage notarial certificates, I found that those certificates just say that such two persons got married at when and where. However, those certificates were done several years ago, there could be a change in the way the certificate has been done since.

4. How was your wife's certificate done, if you do not ming my asking? just state the fact of the marriage or that the document was true to the original?

Thanks,

###### luck to you and best,

[Darnell 8,478]

i've studied my tax transcripts and the I-864. Note I am used the prior I-864 into NVC, but I'll be submitting the new I-864 (9 pages) on interview day.

The prior year income I reported was the 'adjusted gross income' from my tax transcripts. I note I filed the 1040 for those 3 years. If you filed a 1040EZ, and have tax transcripts on a 1040EZ, it's possible there's some confusion, as the instructions are different for 1040EZ vs 1040, in the I-864 instructions, on 'which numbers to use'.

Edited July 21, 2013 by Darnell

[Darnell 8,478]

marriage certificate, white book. here's the english pages. page numbers are not actual sequential, as there are chinese then english then the outer bindings. I note this is a white book from her red book, not my red book.

first english page.
MARRIAGE Certificate
Certificate Bearer: Jetson Jane
Registration Date: <<our wedding date>>
Marriage Certificate No.: <<the marriage certificate number>>

Name: Jetson Jane
Sex: Female
Nationality: China
Date of Birth: <<her date of Birth>>
Identity Card No.: <<her identity card number>>

Name: George Jetson
Sex: Male
Nationality: America
Date of Birth: <<my date of birth>>
Identity Card No.: <<my USA passport number>>

This certificate has been issued upon the permission for the above two, who have
made application, to register the marriage as examined conforming to the provisions of
the Marriage Law of the People's Republic of China.

Upon the Special Seal for Marriage Registration of
Civil Affairs Bureau of Wuhan Municipality

Registration Clerk: <<Name> (Signature)
Under the Seal of Ministry of Civil Affairs of the People's Republic of China

Under the Special Steel Seal for Marriage Registration of
Civil Affairs Bureau of Wuhan Municipality
-=-=-=-=-
2nd page in English
---
Notarial Certificate
<<Year>><<Certificate Number>>

This is to certify that the duplicate attached hereto is in conformity
with the original Marriage Certificate <<marriage certificate number>> held by Jetson
Jane. The seal of Ministry Affairs of the People's Republic of
China and the Special Seal for Marriage Registration of Civil Affairs
Bureau of Wuhan Municipality affixed on the original are found to be
authentic. The English translation of the marriage certificate attached
hereto tallies with the Chinese Copy.

Notary: <<Notary Name>>
Wuhan No.2 Notary Public Office
Hubei Province
The People's Republic of China
<<issuance date of this white book>>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
3rd page in English
----
CERTIFICATE
<<Certificate Number>>

This is to certify that the English Translation of the Notarial Certificate <<notarial certificate number>> attached hereto tallies with the Chinese Copy.

Notary: <<Notary Name>>
Wuhan No.2 Notary Public Office
Hubei Province
The People's Republic of China
<<issuance Date>>

[BenJX 0]

Darnell，

Thanks a lot for your display of the white book. Mine is the same as yours in terms of the page order. However, I did notice one difference. This is also what I figured out today might be the reason the reviewer rejected mine if they have any legitimacy at all.

In your white book, it says that the copy of the marriage certificate is the same as the original and the various seals are found to be authentic. Mine have these. What is not in mine but in yours is that !!! It also says that the English translation of the marriage certificate is the same as the original!!! I think it should say that or the notarial certificate has a fault. For people who do not read Chinese, if the English version is not attested to be the same as the original, they have no confidence in it.

My wife just went to a notary public office in Beijing. She was told that all the certificates are the same and they basically insert the name and some specifics in it. So there should be no problem with mine. She was also told that there is no such thing as version. Therefore everyone from beijing at least should have the same thing basically. I suppose that i am not the first one to do it, there are probaby thousands of people before me and they probably did not have any problems.

My conclusion is that we probably should use my wife' copy for the notarization. Does not make too much sense but, well....

I hope this is useful lesson for some other people. Will call tomorrow to find out the actual reason, hopefully.

[BenJX 0]

i've studied my tax transcripts and the I-864. Note I am used the prior I-864 into NVC, but I'll be submitting the new I-864 (9 pages) on interview day.

The prior year income I reported was the 'adjusted gross income' from my tax transcripts. I note I filed the 1040 for those 3 years. If you filed a 1040EZ, and have tax transcripts on a 1040EZ, it's possible there's some confusion, as the instructions are different for 1040EZ vs 1040, in the I-864 instructions, on 'which numbers to use'.

Darnell,

It it too risky sending new forms after the ordeal in NVC? Since they already approved it.

Good luck!