Proof of on going relationship

[Hank_ 9,174]

I am about to submit the I 129F packet and have some questions/concerns regarding front loading the application since my fiancee is from the Philippines. So far I will include:

1. Facebook chats ( sampling of at least 2 to 3 per month) during the last 14 months of our relationship.

2. Facebook postings of 2 to 3 postings per month spanning 14 months.

3. Skype chat logs for the last 14 months.

4.Skype or Facetime pictures of us taken while we were Skyping (spanning different months in our relationship) and posted by my fiancee in facebook with the posting date showing.

5.A few emails, a few google voice calls showing a log of calls

6. Flowers and bear I sent my fiancee for Valentines day which she took a picture of her holding them. I am including receipt of it.

7. Two receipts from shipping company when I sent her some chocolates

8. About 40 pictures of us together. Most pictures were taken from our engagement party. While the rest were taken from the various places we visited together. I will also include pictures of us with her family and friends.

Is this enough or do I need to submit more evidence of our relationship? Can I include passport stamps , plane boarding passes , travel itinerary and hotel receipts and will they qualify as proof of on going relationship?

USEM is not THAT difficult of a embassy that you need to be concerned with front loading your petition. Save all your ongoing evidence proof for the embassy where it actually matters.

Right now you need to show proof of having met within the past 2 years. That is passport stamps, airline tickets, receipts while together and 4-6 pictures together, (you for sure don't need to send 40 pictures.)... (never DO DO when DO will DO)

What you need to do is make sure you have everything that is required with the I-129F, follow the GUIDE for the K-1 visa here on VJ and all will be fine.

[bigdog 376]

This Google search will assist you with evidence: primary and secondary evidence examples;

11.1 Submission of Supporting Documents and Consideration of Evidence.

www.uscis.gov/ilink/.../0-0-0-2073.html

Closely related to the best evidence rule is the concept of primary and secondary evidence. Primary evidence is evidence which on its face proves a fact.

USCIS - CIS Ombudsman Teleconference: Refugee Processing

www.uscis.gov/.../menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a?vgnextoid=6ea25869c9326210VgnVCM100000082...

Another caller identified trouble with convincing USCIS to accept secondary evidence. ... the FAM may indicate that the primary evidence is available, ...

§ Sec. 103.2 Applications, petitions, and other documents.

www.uscis.gov/ilink/.../0-0-0-11634.html

Secondary evidence must overcome the unavailability of primary evidence, ... of the Act is unable to present primary or secondary evidence of the abuser's ...

§ Sec. 204.1 General information about immediate relative and ...

www.uscis.gov/ilink/.../0-0-0-12652.html

When it is established that primary evidence is not available, secondary evidence may be accepted. To determine the availability of primary documents, ...

[geff44 30]

USEM is not THAT difficult of a embassy that you need to be concerned with front loading your petition. Save all your ongoing evidence proof for the embassy where it actually matters.

Right now you need to show proof of having met within the past 2 years. That is passport stamps, airline tickets, receipts while together and 4-6 pictures together, (you for sure don't need to send 40 pictures.)... (never DO DO when DO will DO)

What you need to do is make sure you have everything that is required with the I-129F, follow the GUIDE for the K-1 visa here on VJ and all will be fine.

That is good to hear . The reason why I want to submit as much proof as possible early on is because I don't want my fiancee to face a CO who will be interviewing her be biased against divorce as well as age difference between the couple without reviewing evidence or proof in hand.

Two things that has worried me from day 1 that might appear as a red flag to a CO eventhough I meet USCIS criteria are:

1. I am almost 21 years older than my fiancee. She is turning 24 years this year and me 45. Although I look young for my age, it might play a role of the CO thinking that my fiancee goal is only to migrate in the US!

2. I got divorce from my ex wife of 12 years recently... back in January of this year. Our relationship had been going downhill for a few years ... and without any kids to have a real bond holding the marriage, we had a mutual agreement that we should separate ways when we meet the right person. Unfortunately she lost her job and I did not want to just abandon her. I hang around her until last year when she finally went back to the workforce. After I met my fiancee back in May of last year (we were introduced to each other by a relative of mine), we started contacting each other online when I came back home to the states. Eventually we fell in love with each other , spending at least a total of 6 hours a day chatting either thru facebook or skype. These two events made it easier for me to go ahead and file for the divorce. My fiancee knew of my marriage and I explained to her my relationship with my ex. I did not get engage to my fiancee until my second trip to the Philippines last April 2013. We had an engagement party with both our families and her friends present.

Other than those two red flags me and my fiancee are pretty compatible since we came from the same province, I can speak her own native dialect and we do have a strong feeling towards each other. Oh by the way, I came to the US when I was 19 years old . I have dealt a lot with the INS in the past since I came here in the United States with a student visa then working visa, green card ( thru labor certification) and finally US citizenship so I have my own experiences with the INS . But the US embassy I only dealt only once years ago when I left my country to study in the US.

[ashlie77 0]

My fiancee has a google mail account and it displays her cell number on same page with her email and pics. I printed this and highlighted that number. For my calls to her using google voice, all I did was print the pages using the browser print option. I highlighted all calls I made with her number and wrote an explanation about it.

Ok that sounds good..... Thank you..... All the best....

[Hank_ 9,174]

That is good to hear . The reason why I want to submit as much proof as possible early on is because I don't want my fiancee to face a CO who will be interviewing her be biased against divorce as well as age difference between the couple without reviewing evidence or proof in hand.

Two things that has worried me from day 1 that might appear as a red flag to a CO eventhough I meet USCIS criteria are:

1. I am almost 21 years older than my fiancee. She is turning 24 years this year and me 45. Although I look young for my age, it might play a role of the CO thinking that my fiancee goal is only to migrate in the US!

2. I got divorce from my ex wife of 12 years recently... back in January of this year. Our relationship had been going downhill for a few years ... and without any kids to have a real bond holding the marriage, we had a mutual agreement that we should separate ways when we meet the right person. Unfortunately she lost her job and I did not want to just abandon her. I hang around her until last year when she finally went back to the workforce. After I met my fiancee back in May of last year (we were introduced to each other by a relative of mine), we started contacting each other online when I came back home to the states. Eventually we fell in love with each other , spending at least a total of 6 hours a day chatting either thru facebook or skype. These two events made it easier for me to go ahead and file for the divorce. My fiancee knew of my marriage and I explained to her my relationship with my ex. I did not get engage to my fiancee until my second trip to the Philippines last April 2013. We had an engagement party with both our families and her friends present.

Other than those two red flags me and my fiancee are pretty compatible since we came from the same province, I can speak her own native dialect and we do have a strong feeling towards each other. Oh by the way, I came to the US when I was 19 years old . I have dealt a lot with the INS in the past since I came here in the United States with a student visa then working visa, green card ( thru labor certification) and finally US citizenship so I have my own experiences with the INS . But the US embassy I only dealt only once years ago when I left my country to study in the US.

There are many here on VJ that have more that 21 years of age gap, my wife and I being of that group. So 21 years difference is not an issue to be too concerned about.

Your recent divorce will not be an issue that I can see, USCIS and USEM only requires that you be free to marry, not that you were free to marry for "so many years".

If it makes you feel better to front load your petition, then add a sampling of chat logs or such, but hundreds of page of chat log or tons of photos are really not necessary.... USEM is not the embassy from hell.

Are you planning to be at the interview with your fiancée? Rather than killing a bunch of trees , I would suggest doing that "to take the worry out of being close". I was at the interview with my wife and it was a wonderful experience!

All the embassy is really looking for is a real relationship, no fraud ... after that they are happy. USEM has no desire to prevent two people in love from being with each other.

Pop down to the Philippine forum and say "Hi".... good group of folks there.

Edited July 21, 2013 by Hank_