Blacks Benefit from FL "SYG" Law at Disproportionate Rate

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

People falsely believe that SYG ends with claiming immunity under the statute. It doesn't. SYG impacts each and every self defense case in this state - including the Zimmermann case. Zimmermann would not have had a self-defense claim prior to the 2005 adoption of the SYG statute. Plain and simple. Being familiar with the statute, he would have stayed in his car and Martin would still be alive. It's just that simple. Justifiable homicides have tripled in Florida once SYG was adopted. Homicides have discontinued the decline they were on for years to spike once again. We had less than 900 homicides in 2005, more than 1,100 in 2006 and more than 1,200 in 2007. That's SYG for you. A law that actually costs lives. Just the way the NRA likes it.

Incrased justifiable homicides are a good thing. They will decline as people needing to be killed are eliminated. Killing TM has probably eliminated dozens of future violent crimes in Florida, for example.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You are quoting from a right wing conservative think tank blogging new source, I'm pretty sure they are not bias one bit, huh?.....give me a break!

I can tell you that I am biased. I am a liberal and my opinions are biased towards those that repsect all people's rights.

How does that make the figures incorrect? Can you please post the correct figures from an unbiased source if those are not correct?

"Bias" usually results in the selectiveness of topics presented, NOT in altered figures. For example, you will not see this story on a ** site (as opposed to liberal, I am a liberal) because the figures do not show what they want you to see.

Although ** organizations are well know for altering actual information, such as GZ's 911 call to make it appear to be something they want...in general the bias manifests itself in the topics which occupy their space, not in the data itself.

For those of you that thought GZ would be convicted, what that means is...

"BULLSH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Jacque67 7,328]

Incrased justifiable homicides are a good thing. They will decline as people needing to be killed are eliminated. Killing TM has probably eliminated dozens of future violent crimes in Florida, for example.

How ridiculous!

I guess you are making this statement as part of some kinda social experiment - lol!

You are so funny. So what kinda model is Alla?

[GandD 5,966]

How ridiculous!

I guess you are making this statement as part of some kinda social experiment - lol!

You are so funny. So what kinda model is Alla?

Whatever the best type is.

[mrrobj 20]

I can tell you that I am biased. I am a liberal and my opinions are biased towards those that repsect all people's rights.

How does that make the figures incorrect? Can you please post the correct figures from an unbiased source if those are not correct?

"Bias" usually results in the selectiveness of topics presented, NOT in altered figures. For example, you will not see this story on a ** site (as opposed to liberal, I am a liberal) because the figures do not show what they want you to see.

Although ** organizations are well know for altering actual information, such as GZ's 911 call to make it appear to be something they want...in general the bias manifests itself in the topics which occupy their space, not in the data itself.

For those of you that thought GZ would be convicted, what that means is...

"BULLSH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I did not dispute the figures and didn't even bother to read the article. The source has been known to be bias and therefore I wouldn't waste the time.

And I never stated GZ would have or should have been convicted.......that was your assumption, not mine. Nonetheless, your lecturing me about being bias. Try reading your own comments and then lecture yourself......as you are the only one making bias comments.

For the record, I believe the jury was correct in its verdict because it was "reasonable doubt" in this case due to the conflicting evidence.

[RGinWA 816]

What did you lose? You can still carry a concealed .32 handgun to protect your son from "bears" You still have at least 6 guns under construction and you still have YOUR concealed carry license.

I did not lose anything. TM was already dead so he didn't lose anything

See post above re: "turds for brains"

You even edited this and it's still really creepy.

In every post you show your infatuation...awe...how sweet Gary.

Do I have to get a restraining order? LOL

Tell the Italian supermodel hi from me.

Ciao

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Incrased justifiable homicides are a good thing. They will decline as people needing to be killed are eliminated. Killing TM has probably eliminated dozens of future violent crimes in Florida, for example.

What a joke.

[slim 1,525]

Gary is absolutely right. Every violent criminal killed is one less problem we have to deal with down the road.

[Jacque67 7,328]

What a joke.

He is such a wag!

[RGinWA 816]

Proof of devolution is in this thread.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Gary is absolutely right. Every violent criminal killed is one less problem we have to deal with down the road.

You are right

[Darnell 8,478]

African Americans benefit from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law at a rate far out of proportion to their presence in the state’s population, despite an assertion by Attorney General Eric Holder that repealing “Stand Your Ground” would help African Americans.

Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites.

Nonetheless, prominent African Americans including Holder and “Ebony and Ivory” singer Stevie Wonder, who has vowed not to perform in the Sunshine State until the law is revoked, have made “Stand Your Ground” a central part of the Trayvon Martin controversy.

Holder, who was pressured by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and other progressive groups to open a civil rights case against acquitted neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin, criticized Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law in a speech Tuesday before the NAACP.

The law was not invoked by Zimmerman’s defense team but was included in instructions to the jury.

“We must confront the underlying attitudes, the mistaken beliefs and the unfortunate stereotypes that serve too often as the basis for police action and private judgments. Separate and apart from the case that has drawn the nation’s attention, it’s time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhood,” Holder said to applause in his speech before the NAACP Tuesday.

“These laws try to fix something that was never broken. There has always been a legal defense for using deadly force if — and the ‘if’ is important — if no safe retreat is available. But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common-sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely. By allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety,” Holder said.

“The list of resulting tragedies is long and, unfortunately, has victimized too many who are innocent. It is our collective obligation; we must stand OUR ground to ensure — (cheers, applause, music) — we must stand our ground to ensure that our laws reduce violence, and take a hard look at laws that contribute to more violence than they prevent,” Holder said.

But approximately one third of Florida “Stand Your Ground” claims in fatal cases have been made by black defendants, and they have used the defense successfully 55 percent of the time, at the same rate as the population at large and at a higher rate than white defendants, according to a Daily Caller analysis of a database maintained by the Tampa Bay Times. Additionally, the majority of victims in Florida “Stand Your Ground” cases have been white.

African Americans used “Stand Your Ground” defenses at nearly twice the rate of their presence in the Florida population, which was listed at 16.6 percent in 2012.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/#ixzz2ZXbNg2dn

It's a real shame that Eric Holder won't study things before opening his mouth.

Incrased justifiable homicides are a good thing. They will decline as people needing to be killed are eliminated. Killing TM has probably eliminated dozens of future violent crimes in Florida, for example.

I blame Mr. VonMartin's parents for his predicament.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Gary is absolutely right. Every violent criminal killed is one less problem we have to deal with down the road.

Who is the violent criminal?

[slim 1,525]

Who is the violent criminal?

Trayvon Martin.

[Darnell 8,478]

Who is the violent criminal?

Tray VonMartin.