Black Man Kills White Teen - Jury Lets Him Walk

[decocker 7,198]

True, I'm sure being black works against people, but all the crazy outrage over this trial isn't helping any black folks. It's not going to improve the current or future situation for black people. If anything, it's just another scapegoat and a reason to not address the real issues.

i guess i live in a bubble. i haven't seen the crazy outrage.

edit: vj doesn't count.

Edited July 20, 2013 by val erie

[Karee 4,190]

i guess i live in a bubble. i haven't seen the crazy outrage.

Laugh. You must live in a bubble. Can I move in with you?

[decocker 7,198]

i have no doors

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Nope. I just want you to have the same rights as everyone else. You've repeatedly talked about the court needing to consider evidence that they shouldn't have. I'm trying to show how degrading rights - anyone's rights - is bad for all of us.

You have lumped yourself into the "victim category" when it comes to things like being at higher risk for police stops yet are quick to distance yourself from the "welfare category." That's what I'm implying when I'm saying both ways. You can't be part of the statistic for one and not for the other. Saying you're at a higher risk of something because of your skin color alone ignores every other fact from the figures. If you were to live in Mascoutah your whole life, chances are you'd never even get arrested. But, if you lived in E. St. Louis, chances are high you would get arrested.

When you look at the crime figures and who gets arrested, it's largely urban folks. Who lives in big cities?

If you look at welfare stats and who gets free money, it's largely rural folks. Who lives out in the sticks? Should I say I'm at higher risk of getting on welfare because of my skin color? Absolutely not. I live in the city. I'm at a much higher risk of getting arrested!

Ok, let me tell you something:

I grew up in St. Louis, Mo. in a mostly white neighborhood. I lived there for about 20 years before I joined the military. You want to talk about getting arrested? The one time it happened, when I was walking to the store to get a soda, it was in Norwood Courts Apartment complex. A white apartment complex. My crime? Walking through there as a short cut. I was beaten, handcuffed, and thrown in the back of a police car. My rights weren't read to me, my friend who took off running because the cop beat him in the head with his flashlight was almost shot in front of me, and the only reason I am here now is because other cops came and stopped it.

Every time I have been stopped, guess where I was? It wasn't on Grand, Goodfellow, E.Saint, or even the Hoodimont projects. It was St. Ann, Jennings, Clayton, St.Charles. You know, the good parts of town. In the black parts, the cops don't patrol, that's why the crime is through the roof. I've seen people beat down, jumped on, robbed at gunpoint. No cops in sight. In the white neighborhoods? It's always, what are you doing here? Where are you going? You look like you don't belong, I know what TM went through, we all do, I was just lucky . We used to have to go the long way around because we got tired of getting pulled over every time we wanted to go to the good mall, Northwest Plaza, Galleria, Chesterfield.

I didn't lump myself as a victim, I am black. If you read my numbers, you'd see that even if you don't have a criminal record, I am still a target. It's cool that we could all be considered equal, but when black men are killed and those folks walk, or get time so little you think what's the point. You get more jail time for selling weed than you do for killing a black man. What does that tell you about our justice system?

Michael Dunn is going to trial for killing Jordan Davis, he is confident that SYG will get him out of jail. He killed a teenager for having his music too loud. He thought he saw a gun, they never found one. He shot 9 times into a vehicle full of teenagers. His response when the cops came for him? He defied my orders, like he owned him.

[Karee 4,190]

i have no doors

I forgot about that. I guess I can move in anytime.

[decocker 7,198]

Michael Dunn is going to trial for killing Jordan Davis, he is confident that SYG will get him out of jail. He killed a teenager for having his music too loud. He thought he saw a gun, they never found one. He shot 9 times into a vehicle full of teenagers. His response when the cops came for him? He defied my orders, like he owned him.

i might disappear from vj.

I forgot about that. I guess I can move in anytime.

we've got to be out by the first of september, pack light!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Michael Dunn is going to trial for killing Jordan Davis, he is confident that SYG will get him out of jail. He killed a teenager for having his music too loud. He thought he saw a gun, they never found one. He shot 9 times into a vehicle full of teenagers. His response when the cops came for him? He defied my orders, like he owned him.

He might get off for the bullet(s) that actually killed someone but the bullets that didn't should earn him 20 years. That's how Florida rolls. Marissa Alexander can tell you all about that.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

He might get off for the bullet(s) that actually killed someone but the bullets that didn't should earn him 20 years. That's how Florida rolls. Marissa Alexander can tell you all about that.

Now you know the rules change depending on your skin color. The mere fact that he felt threatened by that scary black teenager, he might just walk. I hope not.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Now you know the rules change depending on your skin color. The mere fact that he felt threatened by that scary black teenager, he might just walk. I hope not.

This is true. Mr. Zimmermann got to walk while Mr. Dooley was found guilty.

If this tool walks, whatever trust in this justice system I have left will be gone.

Edited July 20, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[GandD 5,966]

I believe Karee was referring to the American Idol generation who cares more about Kim Kardashian than their individual rights. They care more about "Justice for Trayvon" than they do for their own rights.

...and someday it might just come back to bite them in the backside.

This is a cop out. There will always be large amounts of any populace that don't care about politics. In any society.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

What are we asking for? I don't remember asking for anything. You need to stop lumping all of us in the same category.

But yet you tell us all the time what "black People" think.

[mrrobj 20]

I think it has more to do with income and stability than anything. I think people on the lower end of the economic scale tend commit more crime, white or black. Just so happens that proportionally there are more poor black people than white people on the lower end of that scale. I think when that get's resolved, if it does, then you'll see things even out concerning crime. Unfortunately, this trial and it's aftermath is a perfect example of people shirking responsibility. GZ was found innocent, and there was no compelling evidence to prove otherwise. He's now turned in to a convenient scapegoat for all the ills of black society. It's much easier to blame the rest of the world for your problems than look at yourself. This trial is a pimple on a gnat's a$$ in comparison to all the other issues facing the black community, yet everyone is flipping out about it. I'm not black, so I guess I don't get it, but from the outside looking in, it seems all this wasted energy could be better spent trying to improve the economic and social situations that plague the black community. But no, it's just another reason for people to run around and complain how the white man is screwing the black man over. And frankly all the people that are milking this trial until the bitter end for every ounce of publicity they can get, are actually hurting the black community more than helping it. People are falling all over themselves to get in front of a camera to express their outrage over this trial. Seems Obama is doing the same. They could've given Zimmerman the electric chair, and it would not change anything about the current situation in the black community. It wouldn't improve the lives of anyone in the black community. Frankly, most people in the white community probably wouldn't care if George had a date with ol' sparky either.

The whole thing is just one big distraction from the real issues. It's sad in a way that the black community is latching on to this particular trial and it's outcome, when there are so many more pressing issues. They've been played by the media and the hype.

Your post obviously puts this into a black and white issue. Granted, a lot of blacks were upset about the outcome of this case, but you discount the fact that a lot of whites were outraged as while, including myself.

I don't have to be part of the black community to see the injustice in these laws. So please, don't include me in your so call stats of white vs black argument.

If you look at the numerous protests taking place, you would clearly see they are multi-racial, not just blacks protesting.

You continue to misconstrue this subject and even the President's speech today. He clearly stated, the jury spoke and we should accept it. However, he realized and understood how people have the right to peacefully protest laws they feel are unjust. I agree.

You talk about how more blacks are the lower pay scale, but what stats are looking at??

Here is an interesting stat....It's more white people on food stamps than blacks!

The President acknowledged in his speech how blacks are aware of the high black on black crime, but nonetheless stressed the need for understanding and the need to look for solutions to solve these issues.

What's funny, we often talk about the high percentage of blacks killing other blacks right?

But these stats work both ways, as what percentage of whites are killing other whites? You guessed it.....a very high percentage!!

Edited July 20, 2013 by mrrobj

[RGinWA 816]

Ok, let me tell you something:

I grew up in St. Louis, Mo. in a mostly white neighborhood. I lived there for about 20 years before I joined the military. You want to talk about getting arrested? The one time it happened, when I was walking to the store to get a soda, it was in Norwood Courts Apartment complex. A white apartment complex. My crime? Walking through there as a short cut. I was beaten, handcuffed, and thrown in the back of a police car. My rights weren't read to me, my friend who took off running because the cop beat him in the head with his flashlight was almost shot in front of me, and the only reason I am here now is because other cops came and stopped it.

Every time I have been stopped, guess where I was? It wasn't on Grand, Goodfellow, E.Saint, or even the Hoodimont projects. It was St. Ann, Jennings, Clayton, St.Charles. You know, the good parts of town. In the black parts, the cops don't patrol, that's why the crime is through the roof. I've seen people beat down, jumped on, robbed at gunpoint. No cops in sight. In the white neighborhoods? It's always, what are you doing here? Where are you going? You look like you don't belong, I know what TM went through, we all do, I was just lucky . We used to have to go the long way around because we got tired of getting pulled over every time we wanted to go to the good mall, Northwest Plaza, Galleria, Chesterfield.

I didn't lump myself as a victim, I am black. If you read my numbers, you'd see that even if you don't have a criminal record, I am still a target. It's cool that we could all be considered equal, but when black men are killed and those folks walk, or get time so little you think what's the point. You get more jail time for selling weed than you do for killing a black man. What does that tell you about our justice system?

Michael Dunn is going to trial for killing Jordan Davis, he is confident that SYG will get him out of jail. He killed a teenager for having his music too loud. He thought he saw a gun, they never found one. He shot 9 times into a vehicle full of teenagers. His response when the cops came for him? He defied my orders, like he owned him.

You're wasting your breath with these guys. The same ones that claim Affirmative Action has ruined their chances in life don't care about how life is for the people they now complain have some advantage by being a minority in America.

I get what you're saying because it was the same way in my neighborhood growing up. The police taught everyone not to "stand their ground" or suffer the consequences. As bad as it was, it was twice as bad being black. People with little understanding for others will never get it. To them it's some complaint.

[Jacque67 7,328]

You're wasting your breath with these guys. The same ones that claim Affirmative Action has ruined their chances in life don't care about how life is for the people they now complain have some advantage by being a minority in America.

I get what you're saying because it was the same way in my neighborhood growing up. The police taught everyone not to "stand their ground" or suffer the consequences. As bad as it was, it was twice as bad being black. People with little understanding for others will never get it. To them it's some complaint.

agreed.

[Karee 4,190]

You're wasting your breath with these guys. The same ones that claim Affirmative Action has ruined their chances in life don't care about how life is for the people they now complain have some advantage by being a minority in America.

I don't recall anyone saying that "Affirmative Action has ruined their chances in life." I know I haven't. I guess you read things and rather the comprehend what they actually say, you make $hit up in your head.