U.S. Citizen not allowed in U.K.

[Fandango 1,439]

Although I am interested to hear your story!

Well, Robin there's not much to it but basically I had a brand-new unused passport, a 6 month ticket, and three large suitcases...supposedly it looked as if I were illegally moving there. I can understand the suspicion, and I do think they were doing their jobs correctly. Yes, some of them were snippy and rude, but at the end of the day...they did their checking and then let me go on my merry way. I wouldn't have held it against them had they sent me home if they had found a resume in my luggage.

Oh, ps and by the way...I saw it mentioned here.....the immi officer walked me to the baggage pick up, we got my bags & then went back to get questioned & searched. That's how it's done.

[Kez/JWolf 6]

Why does being born in England give you more right to be in England? That is ridiculous.

So you would agree with the statement that Americans have no more right to be in the US than thw 10,000 illegal immigrants?????

Kezzie

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Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the NAME of HER MAJESTY all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hinderence,and to afford the bearer susch assistance and protection as may be necessary

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Fisrt page of a UK passport!!...............

Why does being born in England give you more right to be in England? That is ridiculous

[Boiler 45,360]

Why does being born in England give you more right to be in England? That is ridiculous.

So you would agree with the statement that Americans have no more right to be in the US than thw 10,000 illegal immigrants?????

Kezzie

I do not think you have any hope of an intelligent discourse!

PS You missed a few 0's off.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

So you would agree with the statement that Americans have no more right to be in the US than thw 10,000 illegal immigrants?????

Kezzie

I would agree that being born in (or naturalised to) a country, and NOT having renounced citizenship thereof should give intrinsic rights to be present in said country.

Don't agree that you should not be able to enter a country of which one IS a citizen on another country's (of which one is also a citizen) passport (read "I know US doesn't allow Americans to enter on UK/Canada/etc passports--I'll abide by it, but I don't agree with it").

[Kez/JWolf 6]

sriniv

Yor reply makes no sense....

Kezzie

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sriniv

Yor reply makes no sense....

Kezzie

What I said was that a dual US/UK citizen should be allowed to re-enter US with either passport, not restrictively with US one.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I see, Lisa -- thanks for sharing, I',m just being nosy. What made them let you through?

I'm always curious about these things because I knew 2 aussies who were living in England illegally (one worked as professional dominatrix) who always came and went and reckoned fooling UK immigration was a piece of piss. I also knew this american girl who lived with her boyfriend used to go take the ferry to boulogne every 6 months (not technically legal) to stay in status, no one batted an eyelid, she said.

[yabasta 0]

Well firstly my point about the Royals was somewhat missed it seems, at least by some. An intelligent debate is easy to have if you don`t resort to comments like "there is no point in try for an intelligent debate"(or words to that effect before you tell me those were not your words).

The Queen has no more right to be in England than Osama Bin Laden for the very reason that was stated by mr history on page 5 i think it was. You see people are born and are born free. This may of course be debated but it is my belief that people are free to travel and live wherever they please as long as they are not invading/killing etc and other morally suspect behaviour (this again is of course open to debate but there ya go).

It is funny how people will put my opinions down but they will not actually debate my points. People have just said ridiculous etc without even attempting to debate my points. Sure people have argued that the Queen is British and this and that but they have not reached the point i was making which tells me that they never really understood or never really listened/read my point.

You see i would have thought my view would be appreciated on an immigration website but it seems i was wrong on that score.

You are many and i am one man so i will have to reply lots in order to cover all poitns individually. I am sure a lot of you responders have no inclination to read what i have to say as so far there has been rudeness and intolerance towards me on this thread.

so i shall now respond to some repsonses individually. This might be brick wall meet head but worth a try.

I wrote out a long reply, but after reading this post above...I thought it best to refrain.

I got slagged of for saying the same thing!

One of my favourite Board games from many years ago is Britannia. Amusingly some German friends were really into it and we always played when I was over there.

Anyway, it covers the period between the Roman Invasion and the Norman Invasion, and whilst not 100% accurate, certainly for the historically challenged it might be an eye opener to Britain's rather complicated past.

You did not get slagged off for saying the same thing. You did not get "slagged off" even. You showed me zero respect and did not debate me on any of my points. "bollocks" is not an argument. If you had or have somethign to say then say it but don`t just try to belittle me to make yourself feel superior because trust me that kind of comment makes you look spiteful and little else.

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The Queen has no more right to be in England than Osama Bin Laden for the very reason that was stated by mr history on page 5 i think it was. You see people are born and are born free. This may of course be debated but it is my belief that people are free to travel and live wherever they please as long as they are not invading/killing etc and other morally suspect behaviour (this again is of course open to debate but there ya go).

You do realize that you completely contradicted yourself there, right?

[yabasta 0]

To say the Royal family have no more right to be in this country than Osama BIb Laden is stupidity at its worst. !!!

Well you can say it is stupidity at it`s worst but can you say why? I mean the rest of your post was pretty much not related to the topic and didn`t have any bearing on the point i was making and i didn`t see any point that you were trying to make. Maybe you just discovered how to find things out with a computer and wanted to show off or something. Or again maybe you just thought you would try and put me down and make yourself feel superior. Osama Bin Laden(not bib) has the right to travel (i believe the American government would arrange him a jet to travel wherever he wanted to go) and the Queen has no more or less right to travel the globe. How exactly is that stupid? You might not agree with my view but how is it stupid?

The Queen has no more right to be in England than Osama Bin Laden for the very reason that was stated by mr history on page 5 i think it was. You see people are born and are born free. This may of course be debated but it is my belief that people are free to travel and live wherever they please as long as they are not invading/killing etc and other morally suspect behaviour (this again is of course open to debate but there ya go).

You do realize that you completely contradicted yourself there, right?

I didn`t contradict myself but please tell me how you felt i did?

[Kez/JWolf 6]

If you belive that everyone is born free then your head is well and trully up your A$$... every sinle one on this planet is born with restrictions wether it be by society, Culture, Family values and geographical boundries...

Kezzie

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The Queen has no more right to be in England than Osama Bin Laden for the very reason that was stated by mr history on page 5 i think it was. You see people are born and are born free. This may of course be debated but it is my belief that people are free to travel and live wherever they please as long as they are not invading/killing etc and other morally suspect behaviour (this again is of course open to debate but there ya go).

You do realize that you completely contradicted yourself there, right?

I didn`t contradict myself but please tell me how you felt i did?

"as long as they are not invading/killing etc and other morally suspect behavior"

So Osama bin Laden doesn't count as an invader or killer?

And "morally suspect behavior" doesn't include, say, lying to immigration or customs officials? That one is okay?

[yabasta 0]

Well, I thought it'd be an interesting conversation as I was alos detained but am not bitter about it> I feel they were right to stop me & find out what the deal was.....but after reading the two ridiculous statements below,...I'm seriously no longer interested in discussion!

The royal family have no more right to be here in England than Osama Bin Laden does........ Why does being born in England give you more right to be in England? That is ridiculous.

Well you were detained and you didn`t mind which is great for you. Some people do not like beign treated like a criminal. I don`t like my wife(fiance at the time) being treated that way and i didn`t like being treated like an accomplice on the phone. They did not face me of course those slimy immigration officers. If you wish to be treated like a sheep that is up to you. Personally i don`t want to be a sheep. I was born human and will die human. You say they were right to stop you but were you denied entry? You want to know the stupid thing? My wife was denied entry but given a days pass type deal so she came home with me that night and i had to take her back to the airport the next day. If she had been plannign to be illegal then she could easily have done it. Again you say ridiculous statements yet you do not even counter them. Just going witht he heard again?

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The Queen has no more right to be in England than Osama Bin Laden for the very reason that was stated by mr history on page 5 i think it was. You see people are born and are born free. This may of course be debated but it is my belief that people are free to travel and live wherever they please as long as they are not invading/killing etc and other morally suspect behaviour (this again is of course open to debate but there ya go).

You do realize that you completely contradicted yourself there, right?

I didn`t contradict myself but please tell me how you felt i did?

"as long as they are not invading/killing etc and other morally suspect behavior"

So Osama bin Laden doesn't count as an invader or killer?

And "morally suspect behavior" doesn't include, say, lying to immigration or customs officials? That one is okay?

Osama Bin Laden`s first response to 9/11 was that it was not him, 911 is the way of the JFK assassination sadly and willa lways be unsolved. Sure as a CIA asset that is rather suspect but until he is convicted by a fair trial then he has the right for argument sake to travel freely. The Queen has plenty of blood on her hand si am sure but again it is not proven in a court of law or whatever. As for invading i believe Bin Laden was the defense side during the Soviet thing but again it is all a muddy pool. So you see there is no contradiction really. It is just semantics anyway since my point was that they have equal rights. Lying is something i am sure everybody is guilty of.

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