Juror pushes for new laws following Zimmerman trial

[Jacque67 7,328]

Just coz one portion of the community does not like a certain law does not mean law is bad.

Just coz few people think the law does not work in their favor does not mean law is bad.

During WW2 the majority of Germans thought killing Jews was OK.

The majority is not always right.

[Harsh_77 718]

During WW2 the majority of Germans thought killing Jews was OK.

The majority is not always right.

does that mean minority is always right?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What make you think the law is bad?

Are you for real? I've stated the reasons previously. Read and grasp. Bye!

[Karee 4,190]

During WW2 the majority of Germans thought killing Jews was OK.

The majority is not always right.

Not arguing your point about the majority not always being right. There's all kinds of examples of that. I wonder if the majority of Germans knew that was going on? Maybe they did. I'm not sure.

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During WW2 the majority of Germans thought killing Jews was OK.

The majority is not always right.

As an historian, I'm curious how you reached this conclusion. Enlighten me...

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I wonder if the majority of Germans knew that was going on? Maybe they did. I'm not sure.

the one that i spoke to that was around during that time frame - no, they didn't know.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

the one that i spoke to that was around during that time frame - no, they didn't know.

I think they chose not to know - a nation of Sgt Shultz's. When US troops discovered one of the death camps, where the incinerators were still spewing ash on the local town, and the stench of the piles of rotting corpses filled the air, the nearby townspeople said they had no knowledge of what occurred there. It would be like living next to a paper mill, and not knowing what they were making.

If you read Pappy Boyington's book, he talks how the Japanese villagers would throw all sorts of vile things at them when they were paraded around. After the US dropped a couple nukes on the nation, the local villagers would bring food up to the camp fence, and ask the prisoners to remember their kindness, when the Allies come to liberate the camps.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I think they chose not to know - a nation of Sgt Shultz's. When US troops discovered one of the death camps, where the incinerators were still spewing ash on the local town, and the stench of the piles of rotting corpses filled the air, the nearby townspeople said they had no knowledge of what occurred there. It would be like living next to a paper mill, and not knowing what they were making.

If you read Pappy Boyington's book, he talks how the Japanese villagers would throw all sorts of vile things at them when they were paraded around. After the US dropped a couple nukes on the nation, the local villagers would bring food up to the camp fence, and ask the prisoners to remember their kindness, when the Allies come to liberate the camps.

By and large, they knew. Some spoke up. They typically ended up in those same incinerators. So most remained silent. And afterwards, nobody wanted to admit they knew. But they knew.

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[Darnell 8,478]

"My prayers are with all those who have the influence and power to modify the laws that left me with no verdict option other than 'not guilty' in order to remain within the instructions. No other family should be forced to endure what the Martin family has endured," she wrote.

This is not a push, this is simply a regurgitation of her subject of praying.

Praying is never a push.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I think they chose not to know - a nation of Sgt Shultz's. When US troops discovered one of the death camps, where the incinerators were still spewing ash on the local town, and the stench of the piles of rotting corpses filled the air, the nearby townspeople said they had no knowledge of what occurred there. It would be like living next to a paper mill, and not knowing what they were making.

If you read Pappy Boyington's book, he talks how the Japanese villagers would throw all sorts of vile things at them when they were paraded around. After the US dropped a couple nukes on the nation, the local villagers would bring food up to the camp fence, and ask the prisoners to remember their kindness, when the Allies come to liberate the camps.

the one i referenced lived nowhere near a concentration camp.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

the one i referenced lived nowhere near a concentration camp.

Do you think they wondered what happened to all their neighbors with yellow stars on their chests, or did they ignore the funny little guy with the mustache shouting at all the rallies they attended, and at the theaters they watched movies, and on the radio? It was a nation with collective amnesia, I guess.

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I think they chose not to know - a nation of Sgt Shultz's. When US troops discovered one of the death camps, where the incinerators were still spewing ash on the local town, and the stench of the piles of rotting corpses filled the air, the nearby townspeople said they had no knowledge of what occurred there. It would be like living next to a paper mill, and not knowing what they were making.

If you read Pappy Boyington's book, he talks how the Japanese villagers would throw all sorts of vile things at them when they were paraded around. After the US dropped a couple nukes on the nation, the local villagers would bring food up to the camp fence, and ask the prisoners to remember their kindness, when the Allies come to liberate the camps.

This account is highly improbable, since all of the death camps were liberated by the soviets, and the local townspeople were Polish- not Germans

Mr. Big Dog

"By and large, they knew. Some spoke up. They typically ended up in those same incinerators. So most remained silent. And afterwards, nobody wanted to admit they knew. But they knew."

You state this as if it were settled historical orthodoxy. That is certainly not the case. An excellent review of the current literature on this was written in 2003 by Alexander Groth (UofC, Davis) for Political Science Reviewer, "Goldhagen and Gelately on Nazism" Jul 1, 2003.

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[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

This account is highly improbable, since all of the death camps were liberated by the soviets, and the local townspeople were Polish- not Germans

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/usarmy_holo.html

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This account is highly improbable, since all of the death camps were liberated by the soviets, and the local townspeople were Polish- not Germans

Though not extermination camps, a good number of concentration camps were located in Germany and well over half a million people were murdered and disposed of there. One of them just north of the capital from which some 100,000 people never returned. I've been to a number of these places. Chilling. The local people around those camps were all very much German. As was the staff. Even in those extermination camps that were located outside of Germany. People in Germany knew - maybe they weren't aware of the extend of the murdering that went on. Maybe they weren't aware of the level of cruelty that went on in these places. But they knew that there were one way trains leaving town. Which is why some courageous Germans helped those that were targeted hide and escape. If they didn't know, why would they offer that help?

You state this as if it were settled historical orthodoxy. That is certainly not the case. An excellent review of the current literature on this was written in 2003 by Alexander Groth (UofC, Davis) for Political Science Reviewer, "Goldhagen and Gelately on Nazism" Jul 1, 2003.

So I suppose my great-grandparents and grandparents just outright lied to me. Sure thing.

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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/usarmy_holo.html

You do understand that there is a difference between the concentration camps and the death camps, yes? U.S. soldiers did liberate several concentration camps (which in 1945 were largely devoid of any jewish inmates), but not a single death camp. Your own article references the large numbers of bodies, many victims of disease and malnutrition, found in the camp- during 1944 and 1945 the camp staff certainly burned many of these corpses. Your post insinuated that Americans had liberated a camp that was burning jewish holocaust victims, and that German townspeople were in close proximity to this process.