Juror pushes for new laws following Zimmerman trial

[Harsh_77 718]

Great. I don't care what any leaders or what the media says. Nobody is talking about race. We are talking about Florida's law.

Exactly as long as it was working their favor nobody had a problem with the law, today in one case it did not work as AA wanted it they are out on the street criticizing the law and how the law should be repealed.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I personally find it interesting to hear what jurors think about the case they sat in on.

Absolutely. It is interesting that at least one of the jurors now wants to undertake an effort to correct the wrong that's on the books. The others thus far merely expressed their discomfort - to put it mildly - about the decision they were forced by law to hand down. When people that have to make decisions on a jury feel that what verdict they arrive at based on the law doesn't pass the smell test, then I would say it's time to talk about changing that law.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

While I agree with that, you have to admit that there are more pressing things in the world. I just find it odd that this now finished trial, takes up 75%+ of all the time spent on the news. And 90% of that time is people b!tching because they don't like the outcome. The kid is dead. He aint coming back.

God grant me serenity to accept the things I can not change.

Because he's dead and isn't coming back doesn't mean people shouldn't discuss the trial or, more importantly, discuss the laws in Florida because they set a dangerous precedent.

The majority of things discussed in this forum are things we can't personally change.

I don't think people are b*tching about the outcome, more about how the outcome was inevitable due to the laws in Florida. I think a lot of people (except one or two) agreed that the prosecution did not prove their case, there was not enough evidence, and that's that.

There were multiple posts the other day claiming that the jury found him not guilty because they believed his story and genuinely believed his innocence. It turns out that doesn't seem to be true.

Again, if it's not something you want to waste time discussing, that's fair. But others seem to want to keep discussing it and I don't see the harm in it.

Stories like this that capture the attention of so many people don't disappear the moment the story ends.

Exactly as long as it was working their favor nobody had a problem with the law, today in one case it did not work as AA wanted it they are out on the street criticizing the law and how the law should be repealed.

I know I ask you this a lot, but what the hell are you talking about?

This story is about the jury having a problem with the law and the instructions they were given.

It has nothing to do with "AA". Nothing to do with being out on the street.

This is the jury being discussed.

If you can't stay on topic, start your own.

Edited July 17, 2013 by Penny Lane

[Harsh_77 718]

what verdict they arrive at based on the law doesn't pass the smell test, then I would say it's time to talk about changing that law.

That would be with every law, there will be always one or other person who would not like a particular law does that mean the laws should be changed as some ppl dont like it?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Exactly as long as it was working their favor nobody had a problem with the law, today in one case it did not work as AA wanted it they are out on the street criticizing the law and how the law should be repealed.

There's always been opposition to SYG. This is nothing new. SYG costs lives. Hundreds in Florida alone already since it was implemented. We went from under 900 murders before SYG to over 1200 post SYG and we are still - 8 years later - not back down to the numbers we had in 2005. That despite the fact that homicides have decreased nationally during that time period. If SYG is supposed to make things safer, it's a huge fail.

That would be with every law, there will be always one or other person who would not like a particular law does that mean the laws should be changed as some ppl dont like it?

We're talking about almost the entire jury here. This is not some outlier opinion.

[RGinWA 816]

If you can't stay on topic, start your own.

I'm not certain that would actually help either. Just saying.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I'm not certain that would actually help either. Just saying.

Why does nobody else get accused of pushing over wheelchairs like I did?

[RGinWA 816]

That would be with every law, there will be always one or other person who would not like a particular law does that mean the laws should be changed as some ppl dont like it?

No...never change a law that's bad.

Like say the "rule of thumb"? Where you could beat your wife but with nothing wider than your thumb...great law.

A reference to this connection is found in 1881, in a book by Harriet H. Robinson: Massachusetts in the Woman Suffrage Movement. She says there, "By the English common law, her husband was her lord and master. He had the custody of her person, and of her minor children. He could 'punish her with a stick no bigger than his thumb,' and she could not complain against him."

Why does nobody else get accused of pushing over wheelchairs like I did?

Your pic looks like the type...not sure.

Liberals, so dang violent.

[Harsh_77 718]

There's always been opposition to SYG. This is nothing new. SYG costs lives. Hundreds in Florida alone already since it was implemented. We went from under 900 murders before SYG to over 1200 post SYG and we are still - 8 years later - not back down to the numbers we had in 2005. That despite the fact that homicides have decreased nationally during that time period. If SYG is supposed to make things safer, it's a huge fail.

We're talking about almost the entire jury here. This is not some outlier opinion.

If you do your research, you will see in Flordia drug dealers have got away after shooting a rival gang member based on SYG but no one was talking about it.

Eric holder nor NAACP cared for it until now and suddenly they are all out as law being unfair and unjust, that just shows they really do not care about AA they just making it political issue and trying to gain advantage.

Its sad that AA community do not see that how politicans are exploting a situation to their advantage.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

If you do your research, you will see in Flordia drug dealers have got away after shooting a rival gang member based on SYG but no one was talking about it.

I'm aware of that. And that right there shows just how bad a law this is. People are getting away with murder. Lots of them. Justifiable homicides tripled in this state post SYG. The law costs lives.

[Harsh_77 718]

Because he's dead and isn't coming back doesn't mean people shouldn't discuss the trial or, more importantly, discuss the laws in Florida because they set a dangerous precedent.

The majority of things discussed in this forum are things we can't personally change.

I don't think people are b*tching about the outcome, more about how the outcome was inevitable due to the laws in Florida. I think a lot of people (except one or two) agreed that the prosecution did not prove their case, there was not enough evidence, and that's that.

There were multiple posts the other day claiming that the jury found him not guilty because they believed his story and genuinely believed his innocence. It turns out that doesn't seem to be true.

Again, if it's not something you want to waste time discussing, that's fair. But others seem to want to keep discussing it and I don't see the harm in it.

Stories like this that capture the attention of so many people don't disappear the moment the story ends.

I know I ask you this a lot, but what the hell are you talking about?

This story is about the jury having a problem with the law and the instructions they were given.

It has nothing to do with "AA". Nothing to do with being out on the street.

This is the jury being discussed.

If you can't stay on topic, start your own.

This is not the first time but jury has come out in many cases where they have expressed if they had more power like question the witness or expert they can make better judgment but that how the system has been they have their limitation and they have to make choose from the multiple options given to them by the judge.

I'm aware of that. And that right there shows just how bad a law this is. People are getting away with murder. Lots of them. Justifiable homicides tripled in this state post SYG. The law costs lives.

Did you also see how the politicians have started exploiting it by having campaign like it’s time to remove ppl who approved the law.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Did you also see how the politicians have started exploiting it by having campaign like it’s time to remove ppl who approved the law.

You're not going to get the law changed if you don't change the lawmakers. You can either convince the lawmakers to change their view and repeal what they installed (not very likely in Florida state politics) or you can get rid of the lawmakers and replace them with new ones that will make the required changes (that's a steep climb but not impossible).

[Karee 4,190]

I'm aware of that. And that right there shows just how bad a law this is. People are getting away with murder. Lots of them. Justifiable homicides tripled in this state post SYG. The law costs lives.

Maybe they had it coming.

[Harsh_77 718]

You're not going to get the law changed if you don't change the lawmakers. You can either convince the lawmakers to change their view and repeal what they installed (not very likely in Florida state politics) or you can get rid of the lawmakers and replace them with new ones that will make the required changes (that's a steep climb but not impossible).

Do you seriously think the politicians who are calling in for change care about you or me?

OR

They just taking exploiting the situation for their own good?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That would be with every law, there will be always one or other person who would not like a particular law does that mean the laws should be changed as some ppl dont like it?

That is how it works. Law can be changed. There is a process for that. Happens all the time.