Evidence of relationship was returned... general questions.

[Reds988 9]

My collage of photos were returned also,i attached a paper to back stating who was in photos and place them in zip lock bags. Uscis returned them stating "not in a format we can put in your file for adjudication". I didnt question it just said to myself they can look at my pictures come interview time. It was 3 collages with about 10 pictures on each from Walmart.

Edited July 16, 2013 by Reds988

[Mel&Lal 12]

Photos must be 4x6 on individual photo paper.

like this:

They should contain the names of everyone in the photo on the back (indicating if its Left to Right. or Right to Left), a date, a location, and a brief description.

DVDs/CDs inadmissible, electronic evidence is not allowed, must contain a paper trail.

Data files for FB & Screen shot of skype calls: Print these out, on paper -- also this is more the stuff they're looking for when asking for "proof of ongoing relationship".

Oh names was suppose to be on the photos? I did not put our names on the photos and we was approved and i just received the noa2 yesterday!......Now i am a bit worried something will go wrong

[Heather&Ramy 22]

I don't think anyone else said this yet, but as for sending facebook logs, the adjudicators and consular officers want to see a steady, consistent amount of communication more than anything else. So do the work for them, and select a representative amount of messages with dates clearly showing from each month you were together. For me and my fiancé, that meant taking screen shots of 3-4 facebook message interactions PER MONTH, dates spread out, where both our names and the dates were clearly seen, as well as doing the same for Skype and email. We then printed out several screenshots per sheet of paper, in order of date, and highlighted the dates so they could be clearly seen.

I've heard screenshots recommended versus putting everything into a word document because it preserves the original format ( try keeping some of the ads and buttons and various aspects of the program visible) so that it's easily recognizable as being from Skype, facebook, or an email, and there is less chance that you could fake evidence. In a word document, you can just start adding conversations that never happened. I suppose you could go through a lot to fake a screenshot, but it would be more complicated.

I'm not sure if you should send any of this information in or just wait for the embassy. Certainly if the USCIS requires it, they will ask, but that could slow your application process down. If I were you, I would probably choose to send it, especially since my embassy is one of those higher-fraud areas. Good luck with whatever you choose!

Edited July 16, 2013 by Heather&Ramy

[doug/sherry 26]

If it was me I wouldn't worry about it. I just had my Petition approved in 84 days. I filled out all the

forms correctly, i submitted just the information that they request in the I129F and no more.With cover

letters and evidence of meeting i submitted about 40 pages. I've worked for the Federal Government

since I was 17 and one thing you learn is to read the forms, fill them out correctly, and provide what

they are looking for. No more, no less, it's that simple. It's like an interview, answer the question and

shut up. The more of an answer you provide, the more questions the interviewer will seek and it

just slows the whole process down. And as far as my application, I never put names on the back of

the picture or date them. I never submitted a copy of my passport stamps either. In as much as

some people on VJ like to tell you to send in as much as you can to prove your case, my petition

proves that theory in a different light. Alot of VJers on here are wondering why it takes so long

for a peition to be looked at or approved, well think about it. If your an adjudicator and you get

petitions that are 100-200 pages long and you have to verify them it takes up there time. if there

is one thing they don't understand, they put it aside and work on one that is much easier to adjudicate.

And, if it's like that throughout the entire system, its no wonder it's taking so long for peititions. to get

approved. And as far as your circumstance, the material you sent was either unacceptable, or not

necessary in processing the petition. I wouldnt worry about it if it was me. If you get an RFE they will

tell you specifically what they want. as far as front loading petitions, my understanding of the how the

federal government works is the CFO's at the Embassy's have guidelines and a checklist they have

to go bye,. If they want to know something they will ask at the interview, if you got it - it shouldn't be a

problem. If you get that far to the interview about the only thing that could go wrong is supporting

documention for the forms you needed to provide at the interview or the interviewee, is committing

Fraud. Good Luck....

Edited July 16, 2013 by doug/sherry

[d3adc0d3 186]

Oh names was suppose to be on the photos? I did not put our names on the photos and we was approved and i just received the noa2 yesterday!......Now i am a bit worried something will go wrong

If you're already approved you likely won't have too many issues. The adjudicator thought your evidence was enough to approve you already. If you submitted passport photos they likely already know what you look like.

Just make sure you have what you need for the interview! Congrats!

Edited July 16, 2013 by d3adc0d3

[KayDeeCee 4,896]

It seems you are missing the Key Evidence part of having met... Photos can be "photoshop'ed" so they want actual Proof.

The OP did list that they sent copies of their plane ticket stubs and copies of their passport stamps. Those items were not returned.

[KayDeeCee 4,896]

As for how it was an aggressive response, the tone and wording was a bit aggressive, when I was only asking for confirmation and perhaps elaboration. I'm sure the person didn't intend it that way, however tone is conveyed much more rigidly in text as vocal pitches cannot be heard, so how things are worded have a lot of impact, I think many people are not mindful of that.

Sorry, I still don't see aggression there. Vanessa merely stated that the service you used was wrong. Since you cannot read tones, then why read aggression into someone's replies? I did not see her response as being forceful or an unprovoked attack upon you. I am often blunt in my responses, but I feel no ill-will or aggression towards anyone when writing them. I just don't feel like everything needs to be sugar-coated. Responses are mostly what I would consider neutral: not overtly nice-nice and not outright mean either.

Edited July 17, 2013 by Jay-Kay

[Redicent 14]

If it was me I wouldn't worry about it. I just had my Petition approved in 84 days. I filled out all the

forms correctly, i submitted just the information that they request in the I129F and no more.With cover

letters and evidence of meeting i submitted about 40 pages. I've worked for the Federal Government

since I was 17 and one thing you learn is to read the forms, fill them out correctly, and provide what

they are looking for. No more, no less, it's that simple. It's like an interview, answer the question and

shut up. The more of an answer you provide, the more questions the interviewer will seek and it

just slows the whole process down. And as far as my application, I never put names on the back of

the picture or date them. I never submitted a copy of my passport stamps either. In as much as

some people on VJ like to tell you to send in as much as you can to prove your case, my petition

proves that theory in a different light. Alot of VJers on here are wondering why it takes so long

for a peition to be looked at or approved, well think about it. If your an adjudicator and you get

petitions that are 100-200 pages long and you have to verify them it takes up there time. if there

is one thing they don't understand, they put it aside and work on one that is much easier to adjudicate.

And, if it's like that throughout the entire system, its no wonder it's taking so long for peititions. to get

approved. And as far as your circumstance, the material you sent was either unacceptable, or not

necessary in processing the petition. I wouldnt worry about it if it was me. If you get an RFE they will

tell you specifically what they want. as far as front loading petitions, my understanding of the how the

federal government works is the CFO's at the Embassy's have guidelines and a checklist they have

to go bye,. If they want to know something they will ask at the interview, if you got it - it shouldn't be a

problem. If you get that far to the interview about the only thing that could go wrong is supporting

documention for the forms you needed to provide at the interview or the interviewee, is committing

Fraud. Good Luck....

I have the same concern about "frontloading". Why not let USCIS do it's basic job of approval, then send relationship evidence to the embassy after NVC sends it to the embassy? Once a petitioner gets an embassy case number, send additional stuff ahead with the case number, then it will be added to the file at the embassy. Dont donfuse the matter with USCIS. Then go to the interview with more stuff, if they ask for it. Just my opinion. Doug/Sherry have a point, with such a short time to NOA2. Maybe a new topic is in order to gather opinions and experiences about it.

[KayDeeCee 4,896]

I have the same concern about "frontloading". Why not let USCIS do it's basic job of approval, then send relationship evidence to the embassy after NVC sends it to the embassy? Once a petitioner gets an embassy case number, send additional stuff ahead with the case number, then it will be added to the file at the embassy. Dont donfuse the matter with USCIS. Then go to the interview with more stuff, if they ask for it. Just my opinion. Doug/Sherry have a point, with such a short time to NOA2. Maybe a new topic is in order to gather opinions and experiences about it.

Because some of the tougher consulates to get through have not allowed the evidence to be presented at the interview. Then they can deny based on lack of evidence, If the evidence is already in your file, then they cannot deny having seen the same evidence the USCIS has obviously already seen. Front-loading does not apply to everyone.

[Heather&Ramy 22]

If it was me I wouldn't worry about it. I just had my Petition approved in 84 days.... In as much as

some people on VJ like to tell you to send in as much as you can to prove your case, my petition

proves that theory in a different light. Alot of VJers on here are wondering why it takes so long

for a peition to be looked at or approved, well think about it. If your an adjudicator and you get

petitions that are 100-200 pages long and you have to verify them it takes up there time. if there

is one thing they don't understand, they put it aside and work on one that is much easier to adjudicate.

And, if it's like that throughout the entire system, its no wonder it's taking so long for peititions. to get

approved.

Well, honestly, while I am so happy for you that you got your approval so quickly, it had nothing to do with the thinness of your application. Former adjudicators have confirmed that it takes about 15-20 minutes tops to actually review and make a decision about a single run of the mill K1 case. The wait is entirely caused by the volume of applicants (along with USCIS waste, underfunding and disorganization-- take the recent Texas Service Center fiasco which I was a part of). With that said, nobody should send in a facebook log of hundreds of pages... but a final packet of 30-60 pages total shouldn't be anything an adjudicator can't handle, and it can REALLY help down the line once it gets to the embassy, especially if you aren't in one of the VWP countries. If there's something they don't need at the moment in the file, I don't think they get all confused and frazzled by it and put the file aside. I'm sure they just ignore it and go straight to what they do need.

[Redicent 14]

Because some of the tougher consulates to get through have not allowed the evidence to be presented at the interview. Then they can deny based on lack of evidence, If the evidence is already in your file, then they cannot deny having seen the same evidence the USCIS has obviously already seen. Front-loading does not apply to everyone.

Thanks Jay-Kay, I started a new topic on frontloading. Maybe you can address this there.

Let me ask you whether a petitioner/applicant can send the extra evidence directly to the embassy once an embassy case number is assigned, but before the interview?

[duraaraa 203]

Thanks Jay-Kay, I started a new topic on frontloading. Maybe you can address this there.

Let me ask you whether a petitioner/applicant can send the extra evidence directly to the embassy once an embassy case number is assigned, but before the interview?

In Mongolia, you can. It depends on the embassy. In our case, there was a 'document submission day' the Friday before the actual interview, where we were able to give all of the evidence, along with the various forms.

[Redicent 14]

In Mongolia, you can. It depends on the embassy. In our case, there was a 'document submission day' the Friday before the actual interview, where we were able to give all of the evidence, along with the various forms.

Wow, thats interesting. the embassy is actually asking for submissions. Can you share that on the new topic?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/442070-frontloading-your-i-129fk-1-petition-opinionsexperiences/