GZ to get his gun back

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This wasnt even a stand your ground case.

I cant believe how sheeple just gobble up whatever is spoon-fed to them by the media. Think, people! Do you really want less rights when it comes to self defense? Do you want it to be a law you cant fight back and have to rely on the government to keep you safe?

Come on!

While not invoking immunity from prosecution under Stand Your Ground, Zimmermann walked away solely due to the statute all the same.

If the Trayvon Martin killing was tried prior to the Stand Your Ground law being passed, the jury would have been told that self-defense was not available to Zimmerman unless he had used every reasonable means to avoid the danger. The jury would have been told that even if they believed Zimmerman had been attacked wrongfully by Trayvon, he could not use deadly force if he could have safely retreated or run away.

Here is the actual jury instruction read to Florida juries prior to the legislature’s enactment of Stand Your Ground.

“The defendant cannot justify the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless he used every reasonable means within his power and consistent with his own safety to avoid the danger before resorting to that force.

The fact that the defendant was wrongfully attacked cannot justify his use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm if by retreating he could have avoided the need to use that force. “

[Teddy B 17,252]

Yes, because it's not about who swung first anymore, it's who is alive to tell the tale.

But if Zimmerman had invoked the SYG law, testified, and was found not guilty, that would have been ok with you?

[Harsh_77 718]

Harsh is outsmarting us all once again. This is becoming a daily occurrance here. I might have to find somewhere else to post with dumber people to help give my ego a bit of a boost.

For all the dumbwits AA = African American.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

For all the dumbwits AA = African American.

If you say "AA" to most people, they would not automatically think African American. It has nothing to do with being a "dumbwit", but everything to do with which use is more common.

[JohnR! 5,495]

For all the dumbwits AA = African American.

In Clingon perhaps? Certainly not in English.

[Teddy B 17,252]

For all the dumbwits AA = African American.

If you say "AA" to most people, they would not automatically think African American. It has nothing to do with being a "dumbwit", but everything to do with which use is more common.

African American isn't even 2nd on my list for "AA". My next guess would had been Afirmative Action.

But I'm just a dummy.

[slim 1,525]

How could Zimmerman have run when poor little innocent Trayvon was on top of him slamming his head into the ground? Duty to flee is hard with someone on top of you.

Still not a SYG case. Simple self defense.

[JohnR! 5,495]

If you say "AA" to most people, they would not automatically think African American. It has nothing to do with being a "dumbwit", but everything to do with which use is more common.

I don't think anyone would associate AA with 'African American' immediately, specially in the context of TM/GZ, being that neither is white nor African.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

African American isn't even 2nd on my list for "AA". My next guess would had been Afirmative Action.

But I'm just a dummy.

My second guess would be American Airlines.

African American wouldn't even crack the top five.

How could Zimmerman have run when poor little innocent Trayvon was on top of him slamming his head into the ground? Duty to flee is hard with someone on top of you.

Still not a SYG case. Simple self defense.

Psssst, nobody is calling him innocent.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

So let me get this straight. If Zimmerman had invoked the SYG law and was forced to testify, you think he would have been found guilty, which is the verdict you have been pressing for here for over year. But now you want to remove the SYG law from the books? Seems a bit counterproductive on your part, don't you think?

I have said it before, on paper SYG isn't a bad law. The problem is when it comes to people of color: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/criminal-justice/is-there-racial-bias-in-stand-your-ground-laws/

Whites who kill blacks in Stand Your Ground states are far more likely to be found justified in their killings. In non-Stand Your Ground states, whites are 250 percent more likely to be found justified in killing a black person than a white person who kills another white person; in Stand Your Ground states, that number jumps to 354 percent.

And I've also said I don't care for the law either way. Self defense is enough for me, I don't need to prove my manhood to anyone else. If SYG wasn't in place, maybe GZ would have stayed in the car and let the cops do their jobs, or he might just have went his merry way. Just like Michael Dunn with Jordan Davis. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/jordan-davis-shooting-death-repeal_n_2240764.html

My point is that law gives folks the balls to put themselves in situations they wouldn't normally if they thought they could get away with it.

[Teddy B 17,252]

My second guess would be American Airlines.

African American wouldn't even crack the top five.

Psssst, nobody is calling him innocent.

Well you're just a dumbwit too!

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Well you're just a dumbwit too!

Apparently so is Google.

Googling AA doesn't bring up anything about African Americans.

[JohnR! 5,495]

My second guess would be American Airlines.

African American wouldn't even crack the top five.

Psssst, nobody is calling him innocent.

You're not alone...Even the [sic] dumbwits at the Merriam-Webster dictionary fail to make the connection....

source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aa?show=0&t=1374083470

AAabbreviation

Definition of AA

1administrative assistant

2Alcoholics Anonymous

3antiaircraft

4associate in arts

5author's alterations

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

But if Zimmerman had invoked the SYG law, testified, and was found not guilty, that would have been ok with you?

Yes, but the same goes to you, if he would have testified and been found guilty, would you be ok with it?

[Teddy B 17,252]

I have said it before, on paper SYG isn't a bad law. The problem is when it comes to people of color: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/criminal-justice/is-there-racial-bias-in-stand-your-ground-laws/

Whites who kill blacks in Stand Your Ground states are far more likely to be found justified in their killings. In non-Stand Your Ground states, whites are 250 percent more likely to be found justified in killing a black person than a white person who kills another white person; in Stand Your Ground states, that number jumps to 354 percent.

And I've also said I don't care for the law either way. Self defense is enough for me, I don't need to prove my manhood to anyone else. If SYG wasn't in place, maybe GZ would have stayed in the car and let the cops do their jobs, or he might just have went his merry way. Just like Michael Dunn with Jordan Davis. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/jordan-davis-shooting-death-repeal_n_2240764.html

My point is that law gives folks the balls to put themselves in situations they wouldn't normally if they thought they could get away with it.

Marvin, it seems to me that you're trying to have it both ways. I'm just glad in this case, neither one of those ways came to fruition, because there simply wasn't enough evidence to convict GZ of a crime. The judicial system as it stands worked correctly. There are an awful lot of innocent men in prison, I believe putting another one there would have been the worst case scenario.

Yes, but the same goes to you, if he would have testified and been found guilty, would you be ok with it?

Absolutely. I have made numerous posts that I originally did think he might be guilty of manslaughter, but after watching the trial, it simply wasn't there. White, Black, Green or Red, the right verdict was made here.