Justice Department To Review George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin Case

[RGinWA 816]

Why would GZ not deserve to defend himself if TM was indeed the one to attack him?

In my opinion any man who can't punch at all and can't fight back unless they have a weapon must wear something to designate themselves as such. This would alert everyone to the fact that this man is to be feared.

Maybe a 5" round Mr. Softy button?

[Teddy B 17,252]

In my opinion any man who can't punch at all and can't fight back unless they have a weapon must wear something to designate themselves as such. This would alert everyone to the fact that this man is to be feared.

Maybe a 5" round Mr. Softy button?

Unfortunately these days that equates to the majority of men under the age of 40. Sadly, nearly nobody uses their fists anymore.

[RGinWA 816]

Unfortunately these days that equates to the majority of men under the age of 40. Sadly, nearly nobody uses their fists anymore.

Funny how times change.

When I was a kid if you shot someone instead of fighting you were a punk. Now it's totally acceptable to blow your opponent away to prevent your poor soft body from any potential boo boo.

For the record, the way Georgie looked at the police station was usually how the guy looked that won the fight...wait, he did win the fight. Never mind.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Well, this made me laugh.

(For the record, I think the Paula Deen thing is ridiculous)

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Funny how times change.

When I was a kid if you shot someone instead of fighting you were a punk. Now it's totally acceptable to blow your opponent away to prevent your poor soft body from any potential boo boo.

For the record, the way Georgie looked at the police station was usually how the guy looked that won the fight...wait, he did win the fight. Never mind.

when you were a kid , we did not have all these little gangbangers running around hopped up on Meth and Crack that will kill you without blinking an eye

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

when you were a kid , we did not have all these little gangbangers running around hopped up on Meth and Crack that will kill you without blinking an eye

We had race riots when I was a kid, paratroopers with automatic weapons, and all that. I would say things have calmed down considerably since then. Rodney King was decades ago, and not even close to the Watts Riots decades before that.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

We had race riots when I was a kid, paratroopers with automatic weapons, and all that. I would say things have calmed down considerably since then. Rodney King was decades ago, and not even close to the Watts Riots decades before that.

Yes we had race riots, but not this every day proliferation of violance.We had more guns and more acess to guns so don't go there

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

We had more guns and more acess to guns so don't go there

I don't think so. Unless you lived in a rural area, owning a firearm, or dozens of firearms, was not as likely as it is today. And the kind of weapons as well - a lever action carbine and a double barrel shotgun was typical, not high capacity anything, except maybe a .22 plinker rifle.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

In my opinion any man who can't punch at all and can't fight back unless they have a weapon must wear something to designate themselves as such. This would alert everyone to the fact that this man is to be feared.

Maybe a 5" round Mr. Softy button?

How about a Mr. Wimpy button?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Unfortunately these days that equates to the majority of men under the age of 40. Sadly, nearly nobody uses their fists anymore.

I doubt that the majority of men under 40 is running around with a gun. I'm not worried about guys that can't (or won't) fight back without a gun as long as they don't carry one. That's the most peaceful scenario imaginable. It's the wimps that carry guns that cause all the trouble.

[RGinWA 816]

How about a Mr. Wimpy button?

Yep

It's the armed wimps that are easily frightened (cough...Georgie...cough) and need a weapon who scare me. The rest usually stick with minding their own business or actually "ask" if there is a problem.

Being scared and armed is like storing gas cans with the matches.

[mrrobj 20]

We all knew it was coming. Everyone got what they wanted. He was charged despite the lack of evidence. He got a trial that never should have happened. he was found innocent .

Now as I said all along here comes the justice Dept again, even though the FBI cleared him.

Just proves that racism will lead the day.

It appears you to do not understand the Federal "hate crimes act" that was passed in 2009. The Justice Department is following the correct protocol, as they have to wait until the State criminal case is completed. Notably, the Justice Department opened this investigation a while back, but delayed it until the case was completed, as required by the Act. The conservative media is conveniently overlooking this critical element of why the Justice dept is acting now.

More importantly, the Judge did not allow any "race" factors to be considered in this case, as it was not a criteria needed to be proved in this 2nd degree murder case. The jury in this case did their job and they all agreed that the prosecution did not prove their case "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is a very high burden to prove. This it in itself, does not prove GZ was completely innocent of all wrongdoing.

The Justice Department has a right, and an obligation, to determine if TM's civil rights were violated, especially in case of national interest, such as this one. Again, these issues were not tried in the state court, nor was it determined by the jury in the trial that was just completed.

What was also significant in this case, was the Florida's "Stand your ground" laws. These laws required to state to amend their jury instructions regarding the burden that needs to proven in case of this nature. (Take a look at jury instructions prior to the Stand your Ground laws) If this case was tried in another State, that did not have the "Stand your ground" laws in effect, the jury instructions would have been completely different.

Another interesting point, If you haven't heard, one of the jurors have came out and stated how they came to their conclusion and even admitted, despite their personal views, they had to follow the rule of law and had to choice but to find him not guilty due to the jury instructions put before them. The juror even stated GZ "should have never got out of his car".

Although the Justice Department has a high hurdle to overcome, they would be allowed to look at lot of race factors that was involved in GZ's past history and the current case, which included evidence to show there was a prior pattern of George Zimmerman making dozens of calls to 911 over several years, frequently about "young men of color,” and his recorded statement in the present case, where he stated, "they" always get away with it.

Accordingly, the Justice Department has a right to determine if TM was profiled and killed due to his race. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, there is credible evidence in this case to determine if "race" was involved in this matter and the Justice Department should attempt to determine if TM civil rights were violated, especially in case of national interest, such as this one.

The final verdict is not yet in.......

Edited July 16, 2013 by mrrobj

[RGinWA 816]

It appears you to do not understand the Federal "hate crimes act" that was passed in 2009. The Justice Department is following the correct protocol, as they have to wait until the State criminal case is completed. Notably, the Justice Department opened this investigation a while back, but delayed it until the case was completed, as required by the Act. The conservative media is conveniently overlooking this critical element of why the Justice dept is acting now.

More importantly, the Judge did not allow any "race" factors to be considered in this case, as it was not a criteria needed to be proved in this 2nd degree murder case. The jury in this case did their job and they all agreed that the prosecution did not prove their case "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is a very high burden to prove. This it in itself, does not prove GZ was completely innocent of all wrongdoing.

The Justice Department has a right, and an obligation, to determine if TM's civil rights were violated, especially in case of national interest, such as this one. Again, these issues were not tried in the state court, nor was it determined by the jury in the trial that was just completed.

What was also significant in this case, was the Florida's "Stand your ground" laws. These laws required to state to amend their jury instructions regarding the burden that needs to proven in case of this nature. (Take a look at jury instructions prior to the Stand your Ground laws) If this case was tried in another State, that did not have the "Stand your ground" laws in effect, the jury instructions would have been completely different.

Another interesting point, If you haven't heard, one of the jurors have came out and stated how they came to their conclusion and even admitted, despite their personal views, they had to follow the rule of law and had to choice but to find him not guilty due to the jury instructions put before them. The juror even stated GZ "should have never got out of his car".

Although the Justice Department has a high hurdle to overcome, they would be allowed to look at lot of race factors that was involved in GZ's past history and the current case, which included evidence to show there was a prior pattern of George Zimmerman making dozens of calls to 911 over several years, frequently about "young men of color,” and his recorded statement in the present case, where he stated, "they" always get away with it.

Accordingly, the Justice Department has a right to determine if TM was profiled and killed due to his race. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, there is credible evidence in this case to determine if "race" was involved in this matter and the Justice Department should attempt to determine if TM civil rights were violated, especially in case of national interest, such as this one.

The final verdict is not yet in.......

Well said...

[Jacque67 7,328]

It appears you to do not understand the Federal "hate crimes act" that was passed in 2009. The Justice Department is following the correct protocol, as they have to wait until the State criminal case is completed. Notably, the Justice Department opened this investigation a while back, but delayed it until the case was completed, as required by the Act. The conservative media is conveniently overlooking this critical element of why the Justice dept is acting now.

More importantly, the Judge did not allow any "race" factors to be considered in this case, as it was not a criteria needed to be proved in this 2nd degree murder case. The jury in this case did their job and they all agreed that the prosecution did not prove their case "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is a very high burden to prove. This it in itself, does not prove GZ was completely innocent of all wrongdoing.

The Justice Department has a right, and an obligation, to determine if TM's civil rights were violated, especially in case of national interest, such as this one. Again, these issues were not tried in the state court, nor was it determined by the jury in the trial that was just completed.

What was also significant in this case, was the Florida's "Stand your ground" laws. These laws required to state to amend their jury instructions regarding the burden that needs to proven in case of this nature. (Take a look at jury instructions prior to the Stand your Ground laws) If this case was tried in another State, that did not have the "Stand your ground" laws in effect, the jury instructions would have been completely different.

Another interesting point, If you haven't heard, one of the jurors have came out and stated how they came to their conclusion and even admitted, despite their personal views, they had to follow the rule of law and had to choice but to find him not guilty due to the jury instructions put before them. The juror even stated GZ "should have never got out of his car".

Although the Justice Department has a high hurdle to overcome, they would be allowed to look at lot of race factors that was involved in GZ's past history and the current case, which included evidence to show there was a prior pattern of George Zimmerman making dozens of calls to 911 over several years, frequently about "young men of color, and his recorded statement in the present case, where he stated, "they" always get away with it.

Accordingly, the Justice Department has a right to determine if TM was profiled and killed due to his race. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, there is credible evidence in this case to determine if "race" was involved in this matter and the Justice Department should attempt to determine if TM civil rights were violated, especially in case of national interest, such as this one.

The final verdict is not yet in.......

Interesting. I didn't know about the hate crimes act. That will make an interesting case.

[lostinblue 1,989]

"despite their personal views, they had to follow the rule of law " This is the most important sentence in the whole article,