Trayvon Martin's last photo - Graphic

[Karee 4,191]

Wow...but shooting the same kid doesn't warrant a full trial? Why is that?

In your own argument is why GZ is being tried. It's a homicide right? No, lets take his word for it...next!

What if? Are you serious?

I'm sure they would have tried him as an adult, if he really committed a crime besides looking suspicious.

Your absurdity is showing.

Re-read your post and come back and try again. Sentence composition does matter when you are trying to make a point.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I thought victims of a crime are presumed innocent as well.

Not when the future of a racist organization like the NRA is riding on the verdict.

[decocker 7,198]

So he'd know he was a minor and could cut him some slack like you said in an earlier post. Minors shouldn't be judged as adults.

cut him some slack, for what?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

cut him some slack, for what?

You're the one that said anyone under 21 shouldn't be held to the same standards as an adult when making split second decisions.

[Karee 4,191]

Not when the future of a racist organization like the NRA is riding on the verdict.

I wouldn't exactly call Al and Jesse the perfect examples of racial harmony. Not that I really care about the NRA one way or the other. I don't

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Let someone bash your head on the concrete once and punch you in the face 3 times. Maybe you won't even bleed, but I'll bet you see stars. You don't afford both parties innocence at all. Zimmerman had injuries, you just discount them because it interferes with the way you want the incident to be in TM's favor. You sound like the GZ supporters that you criticize on a daily for being so extreme, only you're on the other side. A fanatic is a fanatic, no matter what they are fanatical about.

The injuries resulted from the fight that occurred. They were minor. That's not some extreme or fanatic view, that was the medical testimony at trial. That was what both a medical examiner and the RNP that evaluated Zimmermann testified to. That is what is clear to anyone that has ever been medically tended to by a first response unit. That's a fact. There is no dispute that they were involved in a scuffle. There is no dispute that Zimmermann took a blow to his nose. There are three incompatible and - among those - one impossible way in which Martin allegedly initiated the attack on Zimmermann. The most fantastic of those being the one where the teen is jumping out of a bush that doesn't even exist. How can you believe anything that Zimmermann claims in terms of how that altercation started?

[decocker 7,198]

You're the one that said anyone under 21 shouldn't be held to the same standards as an adult when making split second decisions.

and he shouldn't have been put in the position to make such a split second decision. that was all gz's doing.

this is so fun! it never ends!

[Karee 4,191]

this is so fun! it never ends!

It doesn't, does it? It reminds me of kids saying "I know you are, but what am I?" over and over and over.

[RGinWA 816]

and he shouldn't have been put in the position to make such a split second decision. that was all gz's doing.

this is so fun! it never ends!

It will end in a conviction that won't ever be accepted by the shoot first supporters.

To help during that time of need they could always send GZ some money for his books. He's gonna need a lot of commissary to get by.

[decocker 7,198]

It doesn't, does it? It reminds me of kids saying "I know you are, but what am I?" over and over and over.

i'm dreading the verdict, actually. i mean i want all this to end, but i'm weary the fallout (here, i don't expect the apocalypse or anything)

[GandD 5,966]

Personally I find the death of any youth sad. It's a life that never got to be lived. It doesn't matter if it was a car accident, suicide, health reasons, crime, etc. To me it is a person that never really got a chance to live life, whatever path they may have taken.

But this picture doesn't prove that GZ was guilty of 2nd degree murder.

That's the real tragedy of it. Well said.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

No, I don't. I afford both parties the presumption of innocence on who started the scuffle. Funny too how you accuse me of speculating while speculating quite spectacularly yourself. You're buying into this fantastic notion that Zimmermann had his head "bashed into the concrete". Only there's no physical evidence to support that. And there is precisely one blow to Zimmermann's head that we know occurred - that to his nose. The supposed "pounding", on the other hand, also failed to leave any physical evidence whatsoever. So that's speculation.

Zimmermann knew that Martin was a kid. He described him as such to the non-emergency operator. Doesn't seem he needed to see an ID to make that determination.

He described him as a "teen" and a "kid" to the non-emergency operator. In Zimmermann's eyes, Martin was a kid.

If memory serves me correct, didn't he say he was about 19 during the call to the police?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

The injuries resulted from the fight that occurred. were minor. That's not some extreme or fanatic view, that was the medical testimony at trial. That was what both a medical examiner and the RNP that evaluated Zimmermann testified to. That is what is clear to anyone that has ever been medically tended to by a first response unit. That's a fact. There is no dispute that they were involved in a scuffle. There is no dispute that Zimmermann took a blow to his nose. There are three incompatible and - among those - one impossible way in which Martin allegedly initiated the attack on Zimmermann. The most fantastic of those being the one where the teen is jumping out of a bush that doesn't even exist. How can you believe anything that Zimmermann claims in terms of how that altercation started?

And for the hundredth time, no one has claimed he suffered severe injuries. Not even George himself. I'll bet I can bash your head and knock you out with nary a scratch. You're out cold, but no severe injury, correct?

And how can you not believe anything he says? His account of the events was satisfactory for 40+ days. No charges would ever have been filed if the DA didn't cave to public pressure. If it is as obvious as you and the other TM fanatics like to think, he would have been charged very early on. But of course you guys will pretend like that didn't happen. But you are open minded.

[Darnell 8,479]

The photo. For all the talk we've done in these threads, for all the insults we've thrown at each other for having different opinions ... at the end of the day, this is someone's kid. Left laying in the grass, alone. Just sad.

Agree. If he hadn't come from a broken home, if his mother could have kept him away from his thug friends - this would have never happened, Tray would never had been kicked out of his mother's house for general thuggery, and sent on to live with his Father's girlfriend.

Yup Yup, I attribute VonMartin's existence and path all to Moral Decay...

[spookyturtle 9,466]

and he shouldn't have been put in the position to make such a split second decision. that was all gz's doing.

this is so fun! it never ends!

Of course it doesn't end, you're a circle talker.