Trayvon Martin's last photo - Graphic

[RGinWA 816]

I wonder if you would see the good in him if he was on top of you pounding the $hit out of your face? Maybe you would. I'd have a hard time with it.

If I was that that weak, helpless and pathetic as a man I'd never leave my car and go lurking in the dark looking for a suspect.

Common sense would have prevented his injuries.

And that is the least severe beating I've ever seen in my life that was deemed "life threatening".

If you can't fight, don't put the Superman cape on.

[Karee 4,190]

If I was on my way to Target and saw this kid walk through my neighborhood, I'd continue on my way to Target. I wouldn't give him another thought. He'd just be one of the kids that walk through the neighborhood. I certainly wouldn't think of him as an arsehole or a fcuking punk. Why would I? I don't know him. I wouldn't harass, hassle and stalk him. I would hunt him down. I wouln't accost him. Why would or should I do any of that. So, I feel quite confident that much like hundreds or even thousands of other people that have seen this very kid walking this neighborhood or another, he would not have had any reason to be in any physical contact with me. How about you?

Doesn't matter what I think, or for that matter what you think. Point is, if you are being followed, it does not give you the right to turn around and kick their a$$. If you decide to do that, you might end up dead. But since you asked, if someone was following me, I might ask them what's up. I wouldn't jump on them and start pounding their face. That's just me though.

[decocker 7,198]

Doesn't matter what I think, or for that matter what you think. Point is, if you are being followed, it does not give you the right to turn around and kick their a$$. If you decide to do that, you might end up dead. But since you asked, if someone was following me, I might ask them what's up. I wouldn't jump on them and start pounding their face. That's just me though.

in my mind, if you're under the age of 21 - you get special consideration when it comes to split second adult decisions.

[Karee 4,190]

If I was that that weak, helpless and pathetic as a man I'd never leave my car and go lurking in the dark looking for a suspect.

Common sense would have prevented his injuries.

And that is the least severe beating I've ever seen in my life that was deemed "life threatening".

If you can't fight, don't put the Superman cape on.

Yep. If TM used some common sense, he'd probably still be here, and we'd be talking about how jacked up Obama is. Like I said, GZ should have stayed in his car. Still getting out his car and following the guy doesn't warrant an a$$ kicking. Not in my mind anyway.

[RGinWA 816]

Doesn't matter what I think, or for that matter what you think. Point is, if you are being followed, it does not give you the right to turn around and kick their a$$. If you decide to do that, you might end up dead. But since you asked, if someone was following me, I might ask them what's up. I wouldn't jump on them and start pounding their face. That's just me though.

And this entire scenario is based on one persons statement right?

This is the same guy that insisted he "wasn't following" just going in the exact same direction. That's a deliberate way to make sure his version qualifies for him not stalking his suspect. Why? Sounds like he's making sure he wasn't following.

You can really prevent following by waiting for police.

So, yeah...believe it was just like he said that.

Fact is, there was another version that was presented at trial. But only certain statements are pulled from her testimony.

[Karee 4,190]

in my mind, if you're under the age of 21 - you get special consideration when it comes to split second adult decisions.

Tell that to the thousands and thousands that are in jail under 21. Just doesn't work that way in our current legal system.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

If it's in evidence, they can look at it as many times as they want to during deliberations. These are six women. Mothers. Looking at this picture has got to trigger that line of thought in the back of a mother's mind: This is someone's child. And he's dead and shouldn't be. If this was my child, I'd want someone to be held accountable for his untimely death. I know that this is what is going through my mind as a father.

Bottom line is this: Zimmermann's moving into the state facilities, y'all.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jury-Instructions

Thank you. Those are quite detailed instructions and it seems like they covered every little detail and nuance. There are a few parts I would like to post, but for some reason I can't copy them. I think we should start a jury instruction discussion thread.

in my mind, if you're under the age of 21 - you get special consideration when it comes to split second adult decisions.

So GZ should have carded TM? Do you think TM would have handed over his ID?

Edited July 13, 2013 by spookyturtle

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Doesn't matter what I think, or for that matter what you think. Point is, if you are being followed, it does not give you the right to turn around and kick their a$$. If you decide to do that, you might end up dead. But since you asked, if someone was following me, I might ask them what's up. I wouldn't jump on them and start pounding their face. That's just me though.

If I'm accosted, I have the right to defend myself. That's the basis for Zimmermann's defense. That right belonged to Martin just as much. You keep taking this pure speculation that Martin "jumped" Zimmermann as gospel. And that even after there are three incompatible ways in which Martin allegedly did that including jumping out of non-existent bushes. I've got bridges for sale. You seem to be a ready customer.

Edited July 13, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[Karee 4,190]

And this entire scenario is based on one persons statement right?

This is the same guy that insisted he "wasn't following" just going in the exact same direction. That's a deliberate way to make sure his version qualifies for him not stalking his suspect. Why? Sounds like he's making sure he wasn't following.

You can really prevent following by waiting for police.

So, yeah...believe it was just like he said that.

Fact is, there was another version that was presented at trial. But only certain statements are pulled from her testimony.

Doesn't matter. You still don't get to jump on someone and beat the hell out of them for following you. Bottom line.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Doesn't matter. You still don't get to jump on someone and beat the hell out of them for following you. Bottom line.

Nobody did that. Bottom line.

[Karee 4,190]

If I'm accosted, I have the right to defend myself. That's the basis for Zimmermann's defense. That right belonged to Martin just as much. You keep taking this pure speculation that Martin "jumped" Zimmermann as gospel. And that even after there are three incompatible ways in which Martin allegedly did that including jumping out of non-existent bushes. I've got bridges for sale. You seem to be a ready customer.

As usual, you have to turn into a d!ckhead and can't carry on an intelligent conversation. I'm surprised you didn't pull your usual $hit a few posts ago.

[decocker 7,198]

Tell that to the thousands and thousands that are in jail under 21. Just doesn't work that way in our current legal system.

that's why i said, in my mind.. that's how it should be.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

If I'm accosted, I have the right to defend myself. That's the basis for Zimmermann's defense. That right belonged to Martin just as much. You keep taking this pure speculation that Martin "jumped" Zimmermann as gospel. And that even after there are three incompatible ways in which Martin allegedly did that including jumping out of non-existent bushes. I've got bridges for sale. You seem to be a ready customer.

And you keep talking this pure speculation that GZ attacked TM as gospel. Therefore, who attacked who is null and void. Now we get to the basics, TM had a superior position on GZ, bashing his head and hitting him in the head a minimum of a few times. No speculation there.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

As usual, you have to turn into a d!ckhead and can't carry on an intelligent conversation. I'm surprised you didn't pull your usual $hit a few posts ago.

It's not about being a dickhead. It's about weighing what's been presented over the last couple of weeks in terms of evidence and weighing it. You can't sit there an presume Martin guilty of an attack on Zimmermann while claiming that Zimmermann ought to be presumed innocent. The presumption of innocence ought to be afforded to the victim as well. You take Zimmermann's word for gospel while ignoring the established fact that he lied about what happened on several occasions. Who's the dickhead? It ain't me.

[decocker 7,198]

So GZ should have carded TM? Do you think TM would have handed over his ID?

what would have given gz the right to ask for an id? i would feel more comfortable knowing that the law would on my son's side if he was ever targeted in such a manner. truth is, tm wasn't doing anything to warrant having the cops called on him in the first place.