GZ/TM Case Turning Into a Kangaroo Court Prosecution

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Does anyone know if GZ is supposed to testify?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

It is actually logical for the screaming to stop after the shot whether the screamer or the screamee pulled the trigger. So there is not much to be deduced from the fact that screaming stopped.

exactly . either way. If it was TM screaming then he is shot, no more screaming

If it was GZ he is no longer being beat. he stopped screaming

They are grasping at straws

[Teddy B 17,252]

Marvin, what's your take on the trial so far? Do you still believe GZ is guilty of murder?

[SMOKE 1,426]

During this month, Muslims are to be humble and better people. Instead of a smart alec remark, I just stated some facts.

oh ok. you're muslim?

[Teddy B 17,252]

Does anyone know if GZ is supposed to testify?

I heard one of the "legal experts" on the news the other night say that with the way the trial is going, heavily in GZ's favor, there is no need for him to testify.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Does anyone know if GZ is supposed to testify?

i seriously doubt he does. the prosecution played his hannity interview & others. he has proclaimed his innocense w/o having to be cross examined.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I heard one of the "legal experts" on the news the other night say that with the way the trial is going, heavily in GZ's favor, there is no need for him to testify.

I know that sometimes the defendant doesn't testify, depending what the strategy and evidence is. I didn't recall hearing anything either way for this trial.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i guess you missed the obvious, martin wasn't raining punches down on him at this point.

The "ground and pound" punches that failed to leave a mark? Zimmermann had one insignificant injury to his face that is consistent with a single blow. He had zero defensive injuries.

Which leaves the obvious question: Where did all these supposed MMA style "ground and pound" punches land?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Marvin, what's your take on the trial so far? Do you still believe GZ is guilty of murder?

I've been trying to avoid watching too much since I was on vacation and the missus keeps me from bringing it up. My take is this:

I don't think that GZ set out to murder TM on a whim. But I will say his choices and actions were not correct in handling the situation. Also, his story has changed quite a few times. First he was following him, then he wasn't, then he was looking for road signs in a community that only has 3.

oh ok. you're muslim?

Yes, converted 2 years ago.

I heard one of the "legal experts" on the news the other night say that with the way the trial is going, heavily in GZ's favor, there is no need for him to testify.

It wouldn't be wise, because if the prosecution gets a hold of him they can poke holes in his story.

[SMOKE 1,426]

The "ground and pound" punches that failed to leave a mark? Zimmermann had one insignificant injury to his face that is consistent with a single blow. He had zero defensive injuries.

Which leaves the obvious question: Where did all these supposed MMA style "ground and pound" punches land?

idk ask the prosecutions witness that testified on the assault he witnessed.

Yes, converted 2 years ago.

cool thanks.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I've been trying to avoid watching too much since I was on vacation and the missus keeps me from bringing it up. My take is this:

I don't think that GZ set out to murder TM on a whim. But I will say his choices and actions were not correct in handling the situation. Also, his story has changed quite a few times. First he was following him, then he wasn't, then he was looking for road signs in a community that only has 3.

Yes, converted 2 years ago.

It wouldn't be wise, because if the prosecution gets a hold of him they can poke holes in his story.

I agree that GZ's choices were not wise, I've said that all along. I also thought that those poor choices would get him a manslaughter conviction, because it appeared that GZ was the aggressor. But based on what I've seen and heard so far, TM also made some very poor choices, and was just as much the aggressor, if not more so as GZ. I don't see the manslaughter conviction happening now either. The prosecutions case is even weaker than I originally thought.

I agree that it would be a huge mistake at this point for GZ to take the stand.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I agree that GZ's choices were not wise, I've said that all along. I also thought that those poor choices would get him a manslaughter conviction, because it appeared that GZ was the aggressor. But based on what I've seen and heard so far, TM also made some very poor choices, and was just as much the aggressor, if not more so as GZ. I don't see the manslaughter conviction happening now either. The prosecutions case is even weaker than I originally thought.

I agree that it would be a huge mistake at this point for GZ to take the stand.

That would depend on if TM circled back and attacked him, or if GZ caught up to him. If TM circled back, it was a bad choice. He could have kept going and made it home. But no one knows for sure. Because GZ's actions caused TM to become hostile, it's not too far fetched that TM said to heck with it and decided to stand his ground.

We also don't know what was said or done when the two met, GZ said he didn't do anything to initiate the fight and TM just whaled on him. But earlier he was running after him. How far did he get before he decided to go look at road signs? How could TM sneak up behind him if he was fully aware that this kid was out there? Why didn't GZ run back to his car and get in? There are some things that don't add up.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I know that sometimes the defendant doesn't testify, depending what the strategy and evidence is. I didn't recall hearing anything either way for this trial.

The defense would be crazy to put Zimmermann on the stand. Prosecution would have a field day with him.

idk ask the prosecutions witness that testified on the assault he witnessed.

He didn't know either. It's odd though, so many MMA style blows and nothing to show for it.

[Teddy B 17,252]

The defense would be crazy to put Zimmermann on the stand. Prosecution would have a field day with him.

I wonder about that with this prosecutor, it seems he knew this was a lost cause from the beginning and appears to be just going through the motions.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

If he doens't take the stand, that to me solidifies his guilt. Mr. Dooley had a stronger case of self defense than this, and he took the stand because he felt justified in shooting Mr. James.