GZ/TM Case Turning Into a Kangaroo Court Prosecution

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I agree that Christ felt this guy was with him contrary to what the desciples felt. That's fine.

The issue is that he turned this specific case into a generalization that covers all situations.

Then there was another specific case that he turned into a generalization.

The two generalizations are in conflict unless as Spook asserts there are only two possible conditions

with or against.

If there is only with or against and this statement is true

"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

Then a baby that doesn't believe in Jesus is going to hell.

If Spook comes up with a quote that says something different then he is revealing a new contradition

It requires reading more than one verse to understand much of what is being said. Who was He talking too? What group? What were their actions vs their beliefs? His people or the Gentiles? Read the New Testament and then come back and tell me he is condemning children. I would also suggest a good study guide to go along with it.

[Dan and Judy 614]

"whoever believes and is baptised will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"

There is nothing ambivilent or nuanced about that statement. You don't need to read the whole bible to

understand what it means. It is very simple and straight foward. I'm sure you could find things to contradict

it in the bible but the meaning is clear. We have to accept that it is true because Jesus said it.

the babies go downstairs

along with anybody else who has never heard of Jesus

[GandD 5,966]

along with anybody else who has never heard of Jesus

I def have an axe to grind on this particular form of thinking. Really stupid of me to care about the specifics considering in my opinion it's all made up.

[decocker 7,198]

We have to accept that it is true because Jesus said it.

prove it.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

"whoever believes and is baptised will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"

There is nothing ambivilent or nuanced about that statement. You don't need to read the whole bible to

understand what it means. It is very simple and straight foward. I'm sure you could find things to contradict

it in the bible but the meaning is clear. We have to accept that it is true because Jesus said it.

the babies go downstairs

along with anybody else who has never heard of Jesus

You don't have to accept or believe any of it. You just don't understand why these statements were made and what audience he directed them too.

[decocker 7,198]

You just don't understand why these statements were made and what audience he directed them too.

jesus likes to keep you on your toes..

[Dan and Judy 614]

It requires reading more than one verse to understand much of what is being said. Who was He talking too? What group? What were their actions vs their beliefs? His people or the Gentiles?

there is no middle ground with Jesus, It is either true or it isn't.

Jesus said it. So it's true.