Zimmerman Trial Live Feed - Day Nine

[spookyturtle 9,466]

There's no twist until you jump from what is known, to what is speculative. The problem with this trial is that GZ will be found innocent or guilty based on circumstantial evidence and so far, that evidence shows that any fear he had for his life that night was NOT reasonable.

So it was George yelling for help? What evidence sealed the deal on that conclusion? You do realize that the frantic yells stopped immediately after the gunshot, which is more inline with it coming from the person who got shot - can't talk anymore.

Now if that isn't biased or speculation, I don't know what is. As far as I know, this hasn't been given to the jury yet. But of course the trial was over before it started for you, MBD and Bill. TM's father said it wasn't TM. GZ's mother said it was GZ. Only TM's mother said it was TM. Two against one, majority rules. I'd like to hear the audio that includes the gunshot. Can you link to it? I have honestly not watched any of this trial.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Now if that isn't biased or speculation, I don't know what is. As far as I know, this hasn't been given to the jury yet. But of course the trial was over before it started for you, MBD and Bill. TM's father said it wasn't TM. GZ's mother said it was GZ. Only TM's mother said it was TM. Two against one, majority rules. I'd like to hear the audio that includes the gunshot. Can you link to it? I have honestly not watched any of this trial.

List in bullet points, the evidence (not speculative) in your opinion that supporst GZ's claim that he reasonably feared for his life to the point where lethal force was necessary.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Now 7 people have testified that it was GZ screaming. Of course I'm sure that all of them are liars. And GZ said he was screaming, so that makes it 8-1.

GZ had bloody nose and cuts on his head. It doesn't matter if the injuries were severe or not. They were there as a result of TM.

Witness saw TM on top of GM, wounds obviously show that GZ took blows from TM.

Does that prove that GZ was in fear of his life? Nope. Does it prove that GZ was in fear of great bodily harm? Nope, but it sure makes me think that maybe he was in fear of getting hurt if the beating continued.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Now 7 people have testified that it was GZ screaming. Of course I'm sure that all of them are liars. And GZ said he was screaming, so that makes it 8-1.

GZ had bloody nose and cuts on his head. It doesn't matter if the injuries were severe or not. They were there as a result of TM.

Witness saw TM on top of GM, wounds obviously show that GZ took blows from TM.

Does that prove that GZ was in fear of his life? Nope. Does it prove that GZ was in fear of great bodily harm? Nope, but it sure makes me think that maybe he was in fear of getting hurt if the beating continued.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If TM feared for his life, he should have run home and called the police. That is probably what most people would do. Why aren't you considering that? Because it doesn't fit the GZ was on a big game safari and trying to bag himself a bad guy? There was ample time for him to run home and call the cops. Imagine how foolish GZ would have looked if that had happened? The thug calling the cops on him? Priceless. But unfortunately TM didn't run home. Even his gal pal testified that she told him to run. He was being followed by a crazy a$$ cracker, yet he still didn't go home for help.

Regardless of what the nut bags on either side think, I personally find it tragic when someone young loses there life before it even really began. Sad to say, it happens fairly often and in different ways. Kids do dumb things without thinking about the consequences of their actions. There was a case in Foxboro, MA back in the 90's where two young teens, neither of driving age, took mom and dad's SUV for a joy ride at 2AM. The police were pursing them for speeding, but evidently they were scared to stop because they would get in trouble. Tragically, they hit a tree at 90+mph and were killed instantly. No need for their deaths, but they made bad choices that proved to be fatal.

Every year at high school graduation time there is always a fatal accident or two with teens driving drunk, even though they are underage and not legally able to drink. Or maybe there is no drinking or drugs involved, just speeding and losing control and it's all over. We've all read about these incidents many times. And how about the kids that decide to go out on the lake in a canoe drunk at night and drown? Tragic again. Do they deserve to die? Surely not IMO, but they made a bad choice and tragedy struck.

GZ is responsible for his actions, not those of TM. TM is responsible for himself, not what GZ did. I find it sad that TM lost his life as a result of this. Unlike the tough talkers here, I don't think he deserved to die or had it coming to him. But he did make a bad decision or two that contributed to his death.

Very well said.. I want to emphasis that although I think GZ acted in self defense, based on he evidence presented, I in no way think the kid deserved to die.