Zimmerman Trial Live Feed - Day Nine

[himher 634]

Man o Man - I remember attending bake sales at the firestation for my local neighborhood watch fellas.

Terrorist!

[Darnell 8,478]

am not !

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I thought he was part of the neighborhood watch group and called the police who were on their way. Even if he lied and was looking to see were TM went, it is most likely they met by accident. If all GZ wanted was a confrontation and to shoot TM, he had ample opportunity to do that without calling the police, didn't he? A reasonable concerned person would call the police, which he did. And we all know that GZ's plan wasn't to shoot TM. Even though you, Steven and MBD may not see due to your bias. TM was not shot because GZ didn't want him to get away, and we all know that too. It's never been an issue at all. GZ was so guilty that the police waited 40+ days to even file charges. Without the outcry because it was white killing black, there would never have been a trial. The outside turned this into a racial event.

You are talking about premeditated murder (1st Degree) to which GZ is not being tried for. You're jumping all over the place trying to justify that because GZ says he was afraid for his life, that his use of lethal force was justified. Big Dog and Patriot both have stated that GZ getting out of his vehicle doesn't demonstrate a reasonable fear for his life and why would he? He had his gun with the safety off and a bullet in the chamber. He knew when he got out of his vehicle there would be a possibility of a confrontation and that if such a conflict were to turn ugly, he had his gun. Who knows what was going on in his mind that night (other than what he had said in the phone call to the police and what he said following the shooting) - maybe he thought TM would surrender to him, and he'd be standing there with the suspects hands on his head as the police arrived. His face would make it on the front page newspaper and he'd be given a hero's welcome from the neighborhood for finally nabbing one of the as$hole punks that always get away? It matters not. There's no evidence that suggests GZ reasonably feared for his life that night - in fact, the evidence shows to the contrary. He got out of his vehicle that night looking for trouble and he found it.

Edited July 8, 2013 by Lincolns mullet

[Karee 4,190]

It's never been an issue at all. GZ was so guilty that the police waited 40+ days to even file charges. Without the outcry because it was white killing black, there would never have been a trial. The outside turned this into a racial event.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Spin all the narratives you desire...what is this about the fifth or sixth one you have introduced to this forum?When did George fear for his life ? Not when a racist thug who was by his home stalked George to " kill-my-neighbors cracker." as attested to the states witness. No George did not fear for his life even as the racist stalked him in the dark out of sight. . I doubt he had feared for his life at the sucker punch that put him down.. Only when travon tried to make good on his word and attempt to kill George by smashing his head time after time after time into the cement sidewalk. Then was the moment when George did fear for his life when no help came after screaming for help.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

You are talking about premeditated murder (1st Degree) to which GZ is not being tried for. You're jumping all over the place trying to justify that because GZ says he was afraid for his life, that his use of lethal force was justified. Big Dog and Patriot both have stated that GZ getting out of his vehicle doesn't demonstrate a reasonable fear for his life and why would he? He had his gun with the safety off and a bullet in the chamber. He knew when he got out of his vehicle there would be a possibility of a confrontation and that if such a conflict were to turn ugly, he had his gun. Who knows what was going on in his mind that night (other than what he had said in the phone call to the police and what he said following the shooting) - maybe he thought TM would surrender to him, and he'd be standing there with the suspects hands on his head as the police arrived. His face would make it on the front page newspaper and he'd be given a hero's welcome from the neighborhood for finally nabbing one of the as$hole punks that always get away? It matters not. There's no evidence that suggests GZ reasonably feared for his life that night - in fact, the evidence shows to the contrary. He got out of his vehicle that night looking for trouble and he found it.

Why would a man shoot someone for the hell of it while the police were on their way? GZ knew the police were coming and maybe being a bit of a cowboy he was going to see where TM went. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually was looking for him. Maybe he did have visions of holding TM until the police got there. It's possible.

But somewhere along the way, it looks like TM took matters into his own hands instead of going home to get away from GZ. It I was TM, I would have run home and called the cops and said some guy was following me. Imagine what a reversal that would have been? TM did have the option to go straight home after walking by GZ in his truck. He didn't. It seems to me thus far that TM did get the jump on GZ. One bit of evidence that I haven't heard anything about is the can of Arizona that TM had. Was it in his pocket? Was the can crushed or smashed in any way? We know that TM hit GZ at the minimum a few times. We know the fight lasted for more than a few seconds. We heard from witnesses that TM was on top of GZ. We heard that GZ was on top of TM. We have one witness who heard the fight and told his wife not to look out the window and not to get involved. Said witness hears a gunshot and then goes running outside. Quite strange in my book, but whatever. We still have the 50 feet to be explained. Perhaps the defense will address that this week.

There are lots of speculation being made here that maybe this, maybe that. What any of us think and say here means nothing. All that matters is what those 6 jurors decide based on the evidence presented to them. OJ got off as did Casey Anthony. They both look far more guilty than GZ, IMHO. So who knows how the jury will see it.

And I really suggest reading the story I linked to earlier. There is good info there for both sides even thought it is not the same type of case.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Why would a man shoot someone for the hell of it while the police were on their way?

To make sure that this time that arsehole wouldn't get away.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

To make sure that this time that arsehole wouldn't get away.

You are comical in your bias.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You are talking about premeditated murder (1st Degree) to which GZ is not being tried for. You're jumping all over the place trying to justify that because GZ says he was afraid for his life, that his use of lethal force was justified. Big Dog and Patriot both have stated that GZ getting out of his vehicle doesn't demonstrate a reasonable fear for his life and why would he? He had his gun with the safety off and a bullet in the chamber. He knew when he got out of his vehicle there would be a possibility of a confrontation and that if such a conflict were to turn ugly, he had his gun. Who knows what was going on in his mind that night (other than what he had said in the phone call to the police and what he said following the shooting) - maybe he thought TM would surrender to him, and he'd be standing there with the suspects hands on his head as the police arrived. His face would make it on the front page newspaper and he'd be given a hero's welcome from the neighborhood for finally nabbing one of the as$hole punks that always get away? It matters not. There's no evidence that suggests GZ reasonably feared for his life that night - in fact, the evidence shows to the contrary. He got out of his vehicle that night looking for trouble and he found it.

He was not in fear for his life until TM started beating the heck out of him.

You are comical in your bias.

Nothing funny about mental issues.

Edited July 8, 2013 by The Nature Boy

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Nothing funny about mental issues.

I'll take your word for it since you're obviously suffering from them.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Where's the new thread?

The other five GZ/TM threads are not sufficient. SOMEONE POST A NEW ONE.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Why would a man shoot someone for the hell of it while the police were on their way? GZ knew the police were coming and maybe being a bit of a cowboy he was going to see where TM went. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually was looking for him. Maybe he did have visions of holding TM until the police got there. It's possible.

But somewhere along the way, it looks like TM took matters into his own hands instead of going home to get away from GZ. It I was TM, I would have run home and called the cops and said some guy was following me. Imagine what a reversal that would have been? TM did have the option to go straight home after walking by GZ in his truck. He didn't. It seems to me thus far that TM did get the jump on GZ. One bit of evidence that I haven't heard anything about is the can of Arizona that TM had. Was it in his pocket? Was the can crushed or smashed in any way? We know that TM hit GZ at the minimum a few times. We know the fight lasted for more than a few seconds. We heard from witnesses that TM was on top of GZ. We heard that GZ was on top of TM. We have one witness who heard the fight and told his wife not to look out the window and not to get involved. Said witness hears a gunshot and then goes running outside. Quite strange in my book, but whatever. We still have the 50 feet to be explained. Perhaps the defense will address that this week.

There are lots of speculation being made here that maybe this, maybe that. What any of us think and say here means nothing. All that matters is what those 6 jurors decide based on the evidence presented to them. OJ got off as did Casey Anthony. They both look far more guilty than GZ, IMHO. So who knows how the jury will see it.

And I really suggest reading the story I linked to earlier. There is good info there for both sides even thought it is not the same type of case.

You keep speculating various possibilities, which is fine, but once you do that, then all possibilities are on the table, including that TM may have reasonably feared for his life and didn't want this creep finding out where TM lived. Or, he could have been hiding, knowing that the creepy guy was following him on foot and waited until he thought it was safe to head home, but GZ also hid, then confronted TM, shoving him and asking him what he was doing there (that is the version the gf who was on the phone said happened).

We can round and round on all kinds of scenarios, but the jurors have enough to convict him on manslaughter, just on what they know already.

As to your question about why would GZ shoot someone if the police were coming? Why did he get out of his fvcking vehicle if he knew the cops were coming? Why did he follow TM if he knew the police were coming? Why was he carrying a gun and pursuing a suspicious person in the neighborhood if didn't think that if things turned ugly, he could potentially shoot the suspect in an act of self defense?

People call alcohol, liquid courage. GZ's false courage that night was his gun. A vigilante mentality where he believed he would be in the right to use lethal force if that as$hole punk retaliates. GZ went into the night on foot with a chip on his shoulder and TM knocked it off, so he got the bullet.

[Karee 4,190]

People call alcohol, liquid courage. GZ's false courage that night was his gun. A vigilante mentality where he believed he would be in the right to use lethal force if that as$hole punk retaliates. GZ went into the night on foot with a chip on his shoulder and TM knocked it off, so he got the bullet.

Even more speculation. Thankfully, someone can't be convicted on speculation. Well, I guess they could, but they're not supposed to be.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

You keep speculating various possibilities, which is fine, but once you do that, then all possibilities are on the table, including that TM may have reasonably feared for his life and didn't want this creep finding out where TM lived. Or, he could have been hiding, knowing that the creepy guy was following him on foot and waited until he thought it was safe to head home, but GZ also hid, then confronted TM, shoving him and asking him what he was doing there (that is the version the gf who was on the phone said happened).

We can round and round on all kinds of scenarios, but the jurors have enough to convict him on manslaughter, just on what they know already.

As to your question about why would GZ shoot someone if the police were coming? Why did he get out of his fvcking vehicle if he knew the cops were coming? Why did he follow TM if he knew the police were coming? Why was he carrying a gun and pursuing a suspicious person in the neighborhood if didn't think that if things turned ugly, he could potentially shoot the suspect in an act of self defense?

People call alcohol, liquid courage. GZ's false courage that night was his gun. A vigilante mentality where he believed he would be in the right to use lethal force if that as$hole punk retaliates. GZ went into the night on foot with a chip on his shoulder and TM knocked it off, so he got the bullet.

Right, I keep speculating various possibilities. Obviously you don't.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Does the trial resume today? Where is Day 10? Guys, I'm lost...