Zimmerman Trial Live Feed - Day Eight

[Harsh_77 718]

But I've finished my work for the moment.

Find more work..........

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Catching anyone lying is always good in a trial. It ruins credibility.

Exactly.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Find more work..........

Oh my god, why didn't I think of that?!?

Oh wait, I did. Some days are slow.

[Harsh_77 718]

Catching anyone lying is always good in a trial. It ruins credibility.

Exactly.

Including witness.

[RGinWA 816]

Including witness.

Well, they can't catch you lying if you admit to it before being questioned. Plus, her lying on the stand was not proven by defense.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Jeantell is not on trial and she admitted lying, instead of being actually caught lying as a defendant.

Slightly different no?

no

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well, they can't catch you lying if you admit to it before being questioned. Plus, her lying on the stand was not proven by defense.

You are having a problem with the concept of reasonable doubt.

Nothing presented now is going to erase reasonable doubt.

[RGinWA 816]

no

Well it usually is for the person on trial...but I'm sure the jury will assess what is worse. I am positive they won't put Jeantell in jail for manslaughter...so slightly different.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well, they can't catch you lying if you admit to it before being questioned. Plus, her lying on the stand was not proven by defense.

reasonable doubt. Are you back to thinking they can convict him after saying it was no longer possible?

[RGinWA 816]

You are having a problem with the concept of reasonable doubt.

Nothing presented now is going to erase reasonable doubt.

Reasonable doubt that he needed to discharge his firearm against and unarmed teen, yes...I stand corrected.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well it usually is for the person on trial...but I'm sure the jury will assess what is worse. I am positive they won't put Jeantell in jail for manslaughter...so slightly different.

I am positive they will not put GZ in jail. Jeantell is largely the reason. No difference.

Reasonable doubt that he needed to discharge his firearm against and unarmed teen, yes...I stand corrected.

Are you going to be happy when justice is served and GZ walks out free?

[dalegg 143]

The prosecution is hanging their hat on that he knew about "stand your ground" but said he didn't? And you think that is a good thing at this point in the trial?

Penny's vacation plans are more relevent. The claim is "self defense", not "stand your ground"

Yeah, I'm confused about how any of this stuff is relevant at this point myself.

It seems that at this point it is pretty much a certainty that TM was on top and GZ was on bottom before the shooting. And because of that it pretty much has to be GZ screeming for help, and it seems like that can be proved because during one of the 911 calls you can hear the screaming so if they just match the time stamp of that call to when Jonathan Good called they can sort of say, okay, 20 seconds before he called, what did he see? And the screaming sure does sound like someone is in fear for his life, so this is done, isn't it? Even if that can't be proved well then you just have the theory that after following TM, Zimmerman actually attacked TM, but somehow after being attacked TM got on top. That's what you would have to prove, and thus far I've seen nothing that comes close to proving that. You have TM attacking first, probably a pre-emptive strike because because he didn't know GZs intentions were. That is the most logical thing, so really what the prosecution needs to prove is that GZ didn't need to shoot him while he was on the bottom because he really knew his life wasn't in danger. Good luck with that one, but definitely 2nd degree murder is out.

Also, the shooting occurred after Jonathan Good saw them fighting. If GZ knew someone was going to call for help, why would he shoot TM other than if he thought his life was in danger? He saw Good, so he could only assume that Good saw that he was the one on the bottom since he was yelling to him.

[RGinWA 816]

reasonable doubt. Are you back to thinking they can convict him after saying it was no longer possible?

I have never said he can't be convicted. Please provide a link.

I said Murder 2 was out after 3 days. Manslaughter has always been on the table.

[RGinWA 816]

I am positive they will not put GZ in jail. Jeantell is largely the reason. No difference.

Are you going to be happy when justice is served and GZ walks out free?

If he walks free I'll be totally in favor of that. He had his day in court, fair trial...I think GZ is just a regular guy, but a careless guy. Not a monster, I never thought that.

My life won't be impacted either way.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

If he walks free I'll be totally in favor of that. He had his day in court, fair trial...I think GZ is just a regular guy, but a careless guy. Not a monster, I never thought that.

My life won't be impacted either way.

Apparently, to some people, if you thought this case deserved a trial and you thought maybe, just maybe, GZ isn't a totally innocent party in this situation ... then that means, if he's found innocent, you will lose your mind. And you'd rather have him locked up in jail for something he didn't do.

It's very weird, but that seems to be the popular opinion.

If he is innocent, he absolutely should walk free. Can anyone show me anyone here who has said otherwise?

Edited July 3, 2013 by Penny Lane