Obama orders CDC gun violence study, study shreds his position

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

http://www.caintv.com/obama-orders-cdc-gun-violence

I wonder when he will cover this in his press conferences?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

CAIN TV. Illiterate broadcast for the illiterate crowd. Glad you finally found a TV station that works for you, Gary.

Actual Study: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1

[Pooky 3,784]

CAIN TV. Illiterate broadcast for the illiterate crowd. Glad you finally found a TV station that works for you, Gary.

Actual Study: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1

The study is the same one linked to in the quoted article, which begs the question "does it support the OP's POV?"

And if anyone thinks I am going to read that thing on an iPhone, think again.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Pooky

[Protocol417 161]

The study is the same one linked to in the quoted article, which begs the question "does it support the OP's POV?"

And if anyone thinks I am going to read that thing on an iPhone, think again.

It's like 123 pages long and each page takes fooooorrrrreeeeeevvvvvveeeerrrr to load

Maybe if I have another slow day at work tomorrow I'll give it a go. Problem is, I'm heavily, heavily biased on this subject and statistics aren't likely to override personal experience. I grew up in areas of the south where the good ol' boys had a scary disregard for firearms safety. It doesn't help that the pro-gun advocates I've known here in Illinois weren't really any better... one was complaining about how her husband "could've gotten arrested for saving someone" because he shot his gun into the air in the middle of the south side of Chicago to scare off some teens who were beating up another kid. Then there's the whole thing about how a friend of mine shot and killed his father when he was five years old because his parents didn't properly secure their handgun. Maybe I just have really bad luck in my acquaintances, but, yeah, my opinion on this matter is quite colored.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's like 123 pages long and each page takes fooooorrrrreeeeeevvvvvveeeerrrr to load

Maybe if I have another slow day at work tomorrow I'll give it a go. Problem is, I'm heavily, heavily biased on this subject and statistics aren't likely to override personal experience.

The actual report is a mixed bag. It fits neither Obama's nor the NRA's narrative all the way but comes down somewhere in the middle.

[Pooky 3,784]

It's like 123 pages long and each page takes fooooorrrrreeeeeevvvvvveeeerrrr to load

Maybe if I have another slow day at work tomorrow I'll give it a go. Problem is, I'm heavily, heavily biased on this subject and statistics aren't likely to override personal experience. I grew up in areas of the south where the good ol' boys had a scary disregard for firearms safety. It doesn't help that the pro-gun advocates I've known here in Illinois weren't really any better... one was complaining about how her husband "could've gotten arrested for saving someone" because he shot his gun into the air in the middle of the south side of Chicago to scare off some teens who were beating up another kid. Then there's the whole thing about how a friend of mine shot and killed his father when he was five years old because his parents didn't properly secure their handgun. Maybe I just have really bad luck in my acquaintances, but, yeah, my opinion on this matter is quite colored.

If you read other posts I've made on gun-related topics, I'm no fan of gun proliferation, either.

Unlike the UK, however, America has had commonplace gun ownership since independence and the Constitutional right to do so for almost as long. The genie is out of the bottle and has been for a while.

The misplaced attempts to restrict weapons choice and magazine/clip capacity only serve to restrict the capabilities of law-abiding citizens. The bad guys tend not to obey the law anyway.

Guns are not the problem. People are the problem. Guns are just tools.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

CAIN TV. Illiterate broadcast for the illiterate crowd. Glad you finally found a TV station that works for you, Gary.

Actual Study: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1

B. it was not on MSNBC, Al-Jazerra, Salon,CNN or other left wing approved sources so it is obvious right wing biased hate,no matter how many facts they quote

[Harsh_77 718]

The actual report is a mixed bag. It fits neither Obama's nor the NRA's narrative all the way but comes down somewhere in the middle.

I guess than you agree both are wrong.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I guess than you agree both are wrong.

I agree that - as most things in real life - it's not all black and white.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[Harsh_77 718]

I agree that - as most things in real life - it's not all black and white.

Do you agree than that Obama camp is not completely truthful to citizens.

The numbers and argument they have projected are not complete truth.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Harsh_77

[Protocol417 161]

If you read other posts I've made on gun-related topics, I'm no fan of gun proliferation, either.

Unlike the UK, however, America has had commonplace gun ownership since independence and the Constitutional right to do so for almost as long. The genie is out of the bottle and has been for a while.

The misplaced attempts to restrict weapons choice and magazine/clip capacity only serve to restrict the capabilities of law-abiding citizens. The bad guys tend not to obey the law anyway.

Guns are not the problem. People are the problem. Guns are just tools.

Was merely saying I'm probably not considered the most unbiased interpreter based on my personal experience.

Luckily, today has been too busy at work so I'm absolved of the responsibility anyways

I'm actually not 100% against concealed carry, but I would prefer to see a HELL of a lot more training requirements, with regular "refreshers", in order for the permits to be issued or renewed. Even then, I wouldn't be 100% happy (the south side gunslinger I mentioned before has years of training and experience with firearms) but I would at least be more comfortable with that.

Regarding the rest of it, others have already made arguments against these points, and I'm sure you're familiar with them, so I'll spare you the repetition, except to say: Our country has put dozens of genies back in the bottle, and will likely continue to do so, whether it's on this subject or another.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Do you agree than that Obama camp is not completely truthful to citizens.

The numbers and argument they have projected are not complete truth.

What numbers are you referring to?

[Harsh_77 718]

What numbers are you referring to?

All the stuff that Obama and Biden / Bloomberg have been trying to say far to convience general population guns are the cause of these killings etc.

If you don't want to agree Obama and his camp have not been completely truthful to citizens... thats cool too.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

All the stuff that Obama and Biden / Bloomberg have been trying to say far to convience general population guns are the cause of these killings etc.

If you don't want to agree Obama and his camp have not been completely truthful to citizens... thats cool too.

Specifics, please.

[Darnell 8,478]

Do you agree than that Obama camp is not completely truthful to citizens.

The numbers and argument they have projected are not complete truth.

I can only agree that the Obama Camp needs to dig a new latrine, as they've filled up the current one.

Camping is so fun !