Zimmerman Trial Live Feed - Day Seven

[RGinWA 816]

If you so keen on getting justice, you should also look at the case which did not get any media or political attention.

Same time this incident happen there was another case exactly alike races were vice versa of shooter and victim. Shooter did not even have any wound or was never even touched by victim.

The shooter in that case went free based on self defense. - What about that?

How is one case which does not get a media and political attention more invalid over other?

To me he's a dead minor, not a race. The race was only important in GZ's mind to make him a suspect. Not that GZ is a racist, he just seems to fear non-Caucasians based on his own experience, right or wrong.

I wasn't there, neither was anyone commenting. So aside from just taking GZ's word as gospel, a trial is required to sort out the facts.

The fact is that it's only being broadcast because of the media attention otherwise nobody would even hear of it.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

To me he's a dead minor, not a race. The race was only important in GZ's mind to make him a suspect. Not that GZ is a racist, he just seems to fear non-Caucasians based on his own experience, right or wrong.

I wasn't there, neither was anyone commenting. So aside from just taking GZ's word as gospel, a trial is required to sort out the facts.

The fact is that it's only being broadcast because of the media attention otherwise nobody would even hear of it.

I agree with this.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The best explanation of the controversy so far. Finally a voice of reason.

I think he's wrong on a lot of fronts. For one - it was Trayvon Martin's character that was being assassinated post-mortem, as a reaction to the outrage and media attention brought to the case when the police decided not to press charges. I do agree with him that certain personalities like to take advantage of these kinds of situations and blow things way out of proportion, however, I think it would best served to focus what was said and by whom rather than make any blanket statements from either side.

The other thing that I think he's wrong about - is that he presumes that if TM struck first, that automatically gives GZ the right of self defense. The prosecution, in my opinion is going to show that TM was frightened for his life that night, tried to run away from GZ and was provoked to defend himself in the way that probably most teenage boys would if they were being followed by some creepy guy at night. But that didn't give GZ the right to kill him, and GZ knows that, which is why he went on to carefully tell the police that one, he wasn't following TM, and two, he only shot him when his nose and mouth were being covered because he was suffocating (fear of death).

I've said from the beginning that we'll never know exactly what went down once there was a confrontation, and the prosecution will have to focus on the events leading up to that point, as well as what happened afterward. If the prosecution can focus on showing GZ's state of mind (these as$holes always get away ... and ....fvcking punks) juxtaposed to what we know what TM was really up to that night (trying to get home), knowing that he was aware that GZ was watching following him and ran away, knowing that GZ went on foot to go after him, the jury will find GZ culpable of manslaughter. It is circumstantial, but considering the unique circumstances of the case, that isn't surprising. GZ could have prevented the death of TM, by staying in his vehicle that night, by identifying himself to TM as the neighborhood watchman, by telling TM the police were on their way, by simply letting the police do their job.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Lincolns mullet

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

To me he's a dead minor, not a race. The race was only important in GZ's mind to make him a suspect. Not that GZ is a racist, he just seems to fear non-Caucasians based on his own experience, right or wrong.

I wasn't there, neither was anyone commenting. So aside from just taking GZ's word as gospel, a trial is required to sort out the facts.

The fact is that it's only being broadcast because of the media attention otherwise nobody would even hear of it.

I think GZ did make TM race a factor in profiling TM, his style of dress also. He did that based on past experience. Still he did nothing to provoke being assaulted under law.

Race became and issue in this trial when all the protest started and the President sent in the JD and injected his biased comments

I think many of you who do not live in areas, like i do that have 90% of crimes and daily shootings being committed by these young black males do not understand the scope of the problem with that demographic.

I do not stereotype black people in general. Young black males with their pants hanging off their butts uttering MOFO every other breath, yes I do stereotype them, it's called self preservation.

[B_J 2,752]

The prosecution, in my opinion is going to show that TM was frightened for his life that night, tried to run away from GZ and was provoked to defend himself in the way that probably most teenage boys would if they were being followed by some creepy guy at night.

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I'm not saying you're right or wrong; I'm just saying that the prosecution needs to get busy and start showing something like that. Right now, from the little I've seen, they haven't accomplished much at all.

Edit to fix typo

Edited July 2, 2013 by B_J

[RGinWA 816]

Okay, getting past all the talk about huffing and lumping....

Is there anything interesting in the trial so far today?

Since the facts as GZ has retold them have been stated by everyone so far already there was nothing major divulged except GZ best friend wrote a book 4 months after the incident. (That's kind of weird in a way since he could possibly be indited at any time.) And GZ's best friend is also an air marshal.

I get the impression that GZ had the idea to be in some kind of law enforcement person at some point...but that's speculation. If he's not guilty I see a potential book deal.

I'm at recess now...

[RGinWA 816]

I think GZ did make TM race a factor in profiling TM, his style of dress also. He did that based on past experience. Still he did nothing to provoke being assaulted under law.

Race became and issue in this trial when all the protest started and the President sent in the JD and injected his biased comments

I think many of you who do not live in areas, like i do that have 90% of crimes and daily shootings being committed by these young black males do not understand the scope of the problem with that demographic.

I do not stereotype black people in general. Young black males with their pants hanging off their butts uttering MOFO every other breath, yes I do stereotype them, it's called self preservation.

I blame Sanford for not charging him initially. The detective wanted him charged and he was overruled. Without that "appearance" of it being racial, the news wouldn't give two s#its about a minority shot by another minority and we would have never heard of this case.

But in failing to charge him and then possibly dropping the charges after a full investigation or going to trial it created the environment of 2 separate camps of innocence and racial bias.

This actually helped GZ in my opinion, because I believe he didn't have the means to hire a big time attorney without the media attention. So in screwing this up, they actually helped GZ in possibly not getting convicted of 2nd degree murder because of the legal fund he amassed.

Something to chew on...

[lostinblue 1,989]

I think he's wrong on a lot of fronts. For one - it was Trayvon Martin's character that was being assassinated post-mortem, as a reaction to the outrage and media attention brought to the case when the police decided not to press charges. I do agree with him that certain personalities like to take advantage of these kinds of situations and blow things way out of proportion, however, I think it would best served to focus what was said and by whom rather than make any blanket statements from either side.

The other thing that I think he's wrong about - is that he presumes that if TM struck first, that automatically gives GZ the right of self defense. The prosecution, in my opinion is going to show that TM was frightened for his life that night, tried to run away from GZ and was provoked to defend himself in the way that probably most teenage boys would if they were being followed by some creepy guy at night. But that didn't give GZ the right to kill him, and GZ knows that, which is why he went on to carefully tell the police that one, he wasn't following TM, and two, he only shot him when his nose and mouth were being covered because he was suffocating (fear of death).

I've said from the beginning that we'll never know exactly what went down once there was a confrontation, and the prosecution will have to focus on the events leading up to that point, as well as what happened afterward. If the prosecution can focus on showing GZ's state of mind (these as$holes always get away ... and ....fvcking punks) juxtaposed to what we know what TM was really up to that night (trying to get home), knowing that he was aware that GZ was watching following him and ran away, knowing that GZ went on foot to go after him, the jury will find GZ culpable of manslaughter. It is circumstantial, but considering the unique circumstances of the case, that isn't surprising. GZ could have prevented the death of TM, by staying in his vehicle that night, by identifying himself to TM as the neighborhood watchman, by telling TM the police were on their way, by simply letting the police do their job.

Travon could be alive today if he only had walked a few yards to his home and locked the door behind him .. Truth is he stalked George and it caused his death

[Karee 4,191]

Travon could be alive today if he only had walked a few yards to his home and locked the door behind him .. Truth is he stalked assaulted George and it caused his death

Fixed.

[Darnell 8,479]

wow - so if George had identified himself as hispanic during the doc intake at the police station - this 'would have gone a different way' ???

Cool !

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I'm not saying you're right or wrong; I'm just saying that the prosecution needs to get busy and start showing something like that. Right now, from the little I've seen, they haven't accomplished much at all.

Edit to fix typo

I think the prosecution will focus on the call to the dispatcher, what GZ said in his initial interview with the investigator and piece together it with the phone call TM had right up to the point of the confrontation. My hunch is that the prosecution is only going over the issues of who was on top of who, who screamed for help, to demonstrate that there isn't a lot of strong evidence either way, which leads everything back to the events and circumstances leading up to the confrontation and what happened after GZ shot TM.

[RGinWA 816]

Travon could be alive today if he only had walked a few yards to his home and locked the door behind him .. Truth is he stalked George and it caused his death

And if GZ wouldn't have followed, or called police or got out of his car or not said "I don't have a problem" and identified himself as the neighborhood watch? That's what the state is going to bring up as well.

TM is not the only person who woulda, coulda or shoulda done x, y or z.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

And if GZ wouldn't have followed, or called police or got out of his car or not said "I don't have a problem" and identified himself as the neighborhood watch? That's what the state is going to bring up as well.

TM is not the only person who woulda, coulda or shoulda done x, y or z.

Though, per Neighborhood Watch rules, he never should have confronted TM in the first place.

[RGinWA 816]

Though, per Neighborhood Watch rules, he never should have confronted TM in the first place.

Or when the opportunity arose when TM came close to his car just roll the window down a bit and say "I'm neighborhood watch and I'm just making sure you're ok. Are you lost, what building are you looking for?" Of course GZ thinks following is a much better interpersonal skill. I mean come on, GZ is armed and in a vehicle; how much safer can he be at that point?

If you treat everyone like a criminal you're getting a bad attitude back at you. Mainly because it's insulting.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Though, per Neighborhood Watch rules, he never should have confronted TM in the first place.

Nor should he have carried a firearm while neighborhood watching.