Zimmerman Trial Live Feed - Day Seven

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

In this entire thread today, you sir have raised the racist question. Sad record broken after over 8 hours.

This thread was virtually color blind until you dragged race into it kicking and screaming.

I own many firearms sir, at least 6 and I take offense to your accusation that I'm not as crazy as the rest of the NRA genuflecting crowd.

Armed wussies is what I fear sir...armed and scared they usually shoot people in their own homes...people who live there. They usually do the most damage and think killing a human is no biggie because they were afraid. When you kill, you take everything and can't give anything back.

This trial demonstrates one thing, you can't just kill and think this won't possibly change your entire life. That might just make others think first, and maybe try a warning shot before setting those wheels in motion. If we spent more time trying to understand one another maybe killing wouldn't be so easy to justify.

Like I said he's not the devil and neither is TM. Lets act accordingly.

Dismissed...

Someone needs to mention the truth every day. Get over it.

And I never said you weren't crazy, so don't be offended.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

HANNITY: A lot of this case legally -- and we are going to get to Mark in a few minutes here and ask him about a lot of legal aspects, because there are so many of them in this case -- has to do with stand your ground. You have heard a lot about it. And I was just curious, prior to this night, this incident, had you even heard stand your ground?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir.

HANNITY: You have never heard about it before?

ZIMMERMAN: No.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/29/look-back-sean-hannity%E2%80%99s-exclusive-interview-george-zimmerman#ixzz2Xw7xSDQP

That's a blatant lie. The defense is going to work overtime tonight to try and find case law that would justify covering it up. We'll find out tomorrow morning whether the jury gets to hear the truth.

You've stated many times that TM had no injuries.

I have? We all know that TM had injuries. A fatal one among them, by the way.

[RGinWA 816]

You've stated many times that TM had no injuries.

No defensive injuries. The swollen knuckle is no big news because everyone assumes GZ didn't hit himself. Its not cut or even really swollen because he died soon after and histamines stop flowing to the area.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

In this entire thread today, you sir have raised the racist question. Sad record broken after over 8 hours.

This thread was virtually color blind until you dragged race into it kicking and screaming.

I own many firearms sir, at least 6 and I take offense to your accusation that I'm not as crazy as the rest of the NRA genuflecting crowd.

Armed wussies is what I fear sir...armed and scared they usually shoot people in their own homes...people who live there. They usually do the most damage and think killing a human is no biggie because they were afraid. When you kill, you take everything and can't give anything back.

This trial demonstrates one thing, you can't just kill and think this won't possibly change your entire life. That might just make others think first, and maybe try a warning shot before setting those wheels in motion. If we spent more time trying to understand one another maybe killing wouldn't be so easy to justify.

Like I said he's not the devil and neither is TM. Lets act accordingly.

Dismissed...

"At least 6" ??? You don't know how many?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

No defensive injuries. The swollen knuckle is no big news because everyone assumes GZ didn't hit himself. Its not cut or even really swollen because he died soon after and histamines stop flowing to the area.

Big Dog has stated many times that TM had no injuries and had no idea where any of GZ's wounds came from. There was no cement, TM didn't hit him, etc.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Big Dog has stated many times that TM had no injuries and had no idea where any of GZ's wounds came from. There was no cement, TM didn't hit him, etc.

I have? Where? When?

[RGinWA 816]

"At least 6" ??? You don't know how many?

Some are not fully assembled yet because of parts not being ordered.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Anyway, I hope the jury is open minded and impartial enough to wait until they are given the case to deliberate before they make their decision and bases it on the evidence and testimony presented.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I have? Where? When?

Please. We've already had this discussion. It looks like a discrepancy in your story. You must be lying, therefore you have lost all credibility and should be barred from further participation on the subject.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Some are not fully assembled yet because of parts not being ordered.

And you aren't sure how many you can make from the parts? Are these "Lego" guns?

You are making no sense. You are not a gun guy but you make all your own guns? Well, let me help...receivers are serial numbered and "are guns" the other parts are "not guns". Are you building your own assault rifles? Those are the most commonly built as parts guns, buy a receiver and add other parts.

Another commonly assembled gun type is the M1911 type handgun. Buy a frame (the gun) and assemble other parts.

I have more than 6 dozen guns (I know exactly how many) and have assembled only one from parts. But maybe you are really into the assault rifles. I am interested.

[RGinWA 816]

And you aren't sure how many you can make from the parts? Are these "Lego" guns?

You are making no sense. You are not a gun guy but you make all your own guns? Well, let me help...receivers are serial numbered and "are guns" the other parts are "not guns". Are you building your own assault rifles? Those are the most commonly built as parts guns, buy a receiver and add other parts.

Another commonly assembled gun type is the M1911 type handgun. Buy a frame (the gun) and assemble other parts.

I have more than 6 dozen guns (I know exactly how many) and have assembled only one from parts. But maybe you are really into the assault rifles. I am interested.

lol

Is this a weapon pi$$ing contest?

You're really wanting to know the size of my weapons aren't you? That's sweet. But alas you'll have to live with my previous answer. I'm sorry, it's classified.

Here's a hint, when you get to 6 dozen of anything and they aren't eggs, it signals some much needed time in reflection on the couch of a professional. You do know that you can only shoot a couple of those weapons at a time right? Then you gotta clean em...that's work.

My advice is to take the money from the sale of say 5 dozen of those weapons and invest in an abandoned Idaho missile silo with 6 inch steel blast doors. Because only then can your psychosis be fully realized. When you reach that, Its a thing of beauty Gary...truly a thing of beauty.

Happy hunting...

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

lol

Is this a weapon pi$$ing contest?

You're really wanting to know the size of my weapons aren't you? That's sweet. But alas you'll have to live with my previous answer. I'm sorry, it's classified.

Here's a hint, when you get to 6 dozen of anything and they aren't eggs, it signals some much needed time in reflection on the couch of a professional. You do know that you can only shoot a couple of those weapons at a time right? Then you gotta clean em...that's work.

My advice is to take the money from the sale of say 5 dozen of those weapons and invest in an abandoned Idaho missile silo with 6 inch steel blast doors. Because only then can your psychosis be fully realized. When you reach that, Its a thing of beauty Gary...truly a thing of beauty.

Happy hunting...

Not surprised.

Lego guns.

[RGinWA 816]

Not surprised.

Lego guns.

Yes...lego.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Natasha Richardson: Tragic Delays After Her Fatal Fall

By Kathy Ehrich Dowd and Dana Kennedy

03/21/2009 at 12:25 PM EDT

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As Natasha Richardson's loved ones prepare to attend the funeral of the Tony Award-winning actress near her country home in upstate New York, PEOPLE has confirmed new details about the day of her ultimately-deadly fall at a Canadian ski resort – and critical lapses in her care that may have contributed to her death.

Richardson, 45, was on vacation with one of her young sons at Quebec's Mont Tremblant resort March 16 when she fell on a beginner's slope known as Nansen, a run popular for its gentle slopes and forgiving turns. Although her fall may have first appeared minor – she reportedly refused to be taken to hospital at least twice – the head injury she suffered is a type that, if tended to quickly at a qualified trauma center, can often treated successfully – and can just as easily turn fatal if not treated in time.

The New York City medical examiner's office ruled March 19 that Richardson died from blunt trauma to the head, causing massive internal bleeding in the brain. In such cases, blood from a damaged but still-pumping artery can quickly pool in the brain, creating pressure that must be relieved before irreparable damage is caused.

Time of the Essence

Medical experts tell PEOPLE that time is of the essence in increasing the chances of survival. Yet patients and untrained observers often don’t realize the grave danger they are in since patients may experience periods of lucidity during which they can walk and talk – a scenario known as "talk and die."

Yves Coderre, director of operations for Ambulances Radisson, the company that responded to both 911 calls for Richardson on Monday, says nearly four hours elapsed between the actress's tumble and her admission to a local hospital. Coderre, who has reviewed 911 dispatch records, tells PEOPLE a member of the ski patrol summoned the first ambulance to the scene at 12:43 p.m. on Monday, not long after her fall toward the bottom of the run. The ambulance arrived just after 1 p.m. and waited near the bottom of the mountain while a ski patrol member followed protocol by placing Richardson in a toboggan to transport her down the hill.

Coderre, who has been a paramedic for 28 years and a member of a local ski patrol for eight years, said the paramedics in the ambulance saw Richardson whisk by on the sled without stopping. Minutes later, their dispatcher called them and said they were free to go because the actress had refused treatment.

Right to Refuse Care

"They just saw her on the sled for a split second, nothing more," said Coderre, who explained that Richardson was brought to a small clinic at the mountain, rarely staffed by a physician, where a member of the ski patrol and her instructor, a female university student, talked to her.

"The protocol in these situations is that the person is told that she would be wise to seek medical attention but she always has the right to refuse," said Coderre. "The only time a person can be overruled is if she is thought to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol or if she is showing visible signs of head trauma and seems to be intellectually incapacitated in some way."

Skiers are asked to sign a document if they refuse medical treatment. "They'd never let her go without her signing it," said Coderre of Richardson.

Richardson left the clinic still accompanied by her ski instructor and returned to her suite at the nearby luxury hotel where she was staying. Once there, her condition began to deteriorate. "She came back to the hotel [after the accident] and the instructor was right with her and took her to the room," a source tells PEOPLE.

Still Lucid

"The instructor called the [hotel's] general manager and said Richardson had a headache and she was not feeling well. The GM went to see her and said she was going to call an ambulance. Richardson said she didn’t need an ambulance or a doctor – and the GM insisted that an ambulance come and get her."

Another call was placed from the hotel to the paramedics at about 3 p.m. and an ambulance arrived nine minutes later, according to Yves Coderre. He says Richardson was still lucid and coherent when she spoke to paramedics, but her condition had worsened and there were signs she might be in danger.

"[The paramedic] saw something that wasn’t right," says Coderre. "He saw some signs indicating her condition was destabilizing. He called ahead to the hospital to let them know of her condition and he put the siren on." Coderre declined to specify what the exact signs were.

The ambulance carrying Richardson left Mont Tremblant at 3:47 p.m. for Centre Hospitalier Laurentian in Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts, a small hospital some 25 miles away, where Richardson was stabilized, transferred to an ambulance and began the trip to the trauma center of Sacre-Coeur hospital in Montreal, a distance of 52 miles. She arrived there close to 7 p.m., according to Toronto’s Globe and Mail newspaper.

(Coderre’s timeline conflicts with a press release issued by the ski resort Tuesday stating that medics were called to Richardson’s hotel room about an hour after her fall. The resort did not respond to an email seeking further comment on the sequence of events.)

No Helicopter Available

Why had it taken nearly six hours for the patient to arrive at a facility capable of treating her critical needs?

Witnesses agree that Richardson herself repeatedly declined to be taken to a hospital. But once it became obvious that her condition required it, Quebec's antiquated medical evacuation system played a part: the region has no helicopters to move patients from the field to hospitals in Montreal – a situation that has already stirred controversy in the wake of Richardson’s death.

"Our system isn't set up for traumas and doesn't match what's available in other Canadian cities, let alone in the States," Tarek Razek, director of trauma services for the McGill University Health Centre in Montreal, which represents six of the city’s hospitals, told the Associated Press. Montreal and its suburubs, the second largest urban region in Canada, has a population of more than 3.6 million. Richardson was treated in the intensive care unit at Sacre-Couer and it is believed her husband, Liam Neeson, first saw his wife after her fall there sometime Monday night after abruptly leaving a Toronto film set.

On Tuesday, Richardson was flown from Montreal to New York in dire condition. One report said the actress was seen on a yellow stretcher wrapped in blankets as she made her final journey home with her worried-looking husband by her side. She was admitted to Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan and family members held vigil at her bedside. The family announced her death Wednesday evening.

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20266545_20267163,00.html

More proof that even a light blow to the head can cause death. . The law said FEAR of bodily harm justifies Georges response.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The ME also mentioned injuries to TM's knuckles.

that was new to me. First time I heard it. Tm did have abrasions on his knuckles.

I will say the prosecution did gain a small amount of ground today, but still has a mountain to climb