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He may have taken one on the nose. He may have fallen and banged his head. What do I know?

What I do know is that there's a 30 to 50 feet gap between Zimmermann's account of events and Martin's dead body. That's a pretty big gap. That gap clearly suggests that he was not attacked by Martin the way he says he was. And then there's the issue of the head wounds not matching the account of having his head bashed into the sidewalk to the point where he felt he'd pass out. And then there's the suffocation that - given the bloody nose - would have to leave traces of Zimmermann's blood on Martin's hands ad/or sleeves. None there. Makes no sense.

You seem so positive that there was no GM blood at the crime scene yet he was bleeding so I assumed you had an explanation for that like you do everything else. It seems obvious that the altercation took place near where the body was. Where did the bloody nose come from? Is prosecution raising these questions? Will medical experts testify? Crime scene recreation, how did the body move 30-50 feet? Wouldn't that be a big deal to the cops?

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You seem so positive that there was no GM blood at the crime scene yet he was bleeding so I assumed you had an explanation for that like you do everything else. It seems obvious that the altercation took place near where the body was. Where did the bloody nose come from? Is prosecution raising these questions? Will medical experts testify? Crime scene recreation, how did the body move 30-50 feet? Wouldn't that be a big deal to the cops?

The ME will testify, of course. I don't have an answer for why Zimmermann's blood was not found on the scene or on Martin's hands. To me, it simply doesn't make sense that Martin had this intense physical contact with the injured, bloody parts of Zimmermann's face and no a drop of Zimmermann's blood is present on Martin's hands or sleeves. I'd think that the 30-50 feet are a big deal. Maybe I'm wrong but to me that raises questions as to the veracity of Zimmermann's account.

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The ME will testify, of course. I don't have an answer for why Zimmermann's blood was not found on the scene or on Martin's hands. To me, it simply doesn't make sense that Martin had this intense physical contact with the injured, bloody parts of Zimmermann's face and no a drop of Zimmermann's blood is present on Martin's hands or sleeves. I'd think that the 30-50 feet are a big deal. Maybe I'm wrong but to me that raises questions as to the veracity of Zimmermann's account.

Thus far, my questions are the distance, the lack of blood or DNA on TM and why TM didn't just take off and run home from the get go. Also the position the body was found in needs explained or clarified. I have to go back to the video RG posted last night. I believe GZ said he held TM down after he shot him, or held his arms down while waiting for the police.

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My question was serious, how do you think he got the wounds?

He could have slipped during the fight and hit his head. The scalp and face are easy to split . He had no injuries requiring hospital attention. George had also injured himself while MMA training. Maybe he cuts easily? Maybe he's a bleeder? Many fighters have quit over the same issue.

He had two cuts and a bloody nose. A bloody nose itself bleeds like a mass murder and looks ugly.

Even if TM gave them to him, he was far from death, maybe he's perpetually afraid, but that's not TM's fault. No suffocation, no more head being hit.

Remember, GZ said TM had something hard in his hand when he was hit? That's called a fist Georgie.

It's claimed GZ pinched TM's hand under his right arm and got the gun out while laying down...I wanna see that recreated, because it sounds impossible to do.

Try going to your waist to get the weapon out, while pinching your arm close and do that while on your back. ;) It's fantasy...

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He could have slipped during the fight and hit his head. The scalp and face are easy to split . He had no injuries requiring hospital attention. George had also injured himself while MMA training. Maybe he cuts easily? Maybe he's a bleeder? Many fighters have quit over the same issue.

He had two cuts and a bloody nose. A bloody nose itself bleeds like a mass murder and looks ugly.

Even if TM gave them to him, he was far from death, maybe he's perpetually afraid, but that's not TM's fault. No suffocation, no more head being hit.

Remember, GZ said TM had something hard in his hand when he was hit? That's called a fist Georgie.

It's claimed GZ pinched TM's hand under his right arm and got the gun out while laying down...I wanna see that recreated, because it sounds impossible to do.

Try going to your waist to get the weapon out, while pinching your arm close and do that while on your back. wink.png It's fantasy...

Question: Is GZ a lefty and on which side did he carry his gun?

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Question: Is GZ a lefty and on which side did he carry his gun?

He writes left handed and carried on his right.

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10-21-2013 - Passed Medical

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10-25-2013 - Administrative Review

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Thus far, my questions are the distance, the lack of blood or DNA on TM and why TM didn't just take off and run home from the get go. Also the position the body was found in needs explained or clarified. I have to go back to the video RG posted last night. I believe GZ said he held TM down after he shot him, or held his arms down while waiting for the police.

That's what he said. That he spread his hands away from his body and that he held him that way until he ceased moving. But the body was found with those hands under the body not spread away from it. Another one of these inconsistencies. There are just too damn many of them.

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That's what he said. That he spread his hands away from his body and that he held him that way until he ceased moving. But the body was found with those hands under the body not spread away from it. Another one of these inconsistencies. There are just too damn many of them.

Did George state whether TM was face up or face down while he held his arms or hands down? Was George sitting on TM while doing this or was he to one side or the other? He claims that TM spoke after being shot and that he moved or got up, I forget the details. I'll have to watch the video again another time.

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Please describe both of their body positions when GZ drew his gun and shot TM. I'm trying to picture this in my head.

This is GZ's stated chain of events.

GZ on his back, both hands free. TM is on top one leg on either side of GZ and both hands on GZ's nose and mouth. GZ is screaming/suffocating.

TM slides his hand down GZ's side, GZ pinches his hand in his right arm. While pinched GZ uses the same right arm to unholster the weapon, while on his back, with the arm pinched and fires point blank.

Sounds impossible to recreate.

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 9-20-2013 - NVC received!

10-7-2013  - Received at embassy Manila (17 days from receiving at NVC)

10-21-2013 - Passed Medical

10-25-2013 - Interview scheduled

10-25-2013 - Administrative Review

11-5-2013  -  Approved

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12-14-2013 - Wedding Ruston Washington.

 

 

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This is GZ's stated chain of events.

GZ on his back, both hands free. TM is on top one leg on either side of GZ and both hands on GZ's nose and mouth. GZ is screaming/suffocating.

TM slides his hand down GZ's side, GZ pinches his hand in his right arm. While pinched GZ uses the same right arm to unholster the weapon, while on his back, with the arm pinched and fires point blank.

Sounds impossible to recreate.

So GZ fired with his right hand? I was thinking he reached across with his left to draw his gun. Although if he did pinch TM's hand above the elbow or higher, he probably could have moved his wrist and hand to draw his gun since his hand could have been right near it depending upon the angle of TM's arm and where he had the hand pin. George did say in the video that his shirt or jacket had ridden up exposing his gun and he felt or saw TM start to make a grab for it and that is when he drew and fired.

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There was no blood on the sidewalk that Zimmermann claimed his head was bashed into. No blood on the hands that he claimed covered his bloody mouth and nose either. Zimmermann is a bit of a biological wonder - he started bleeding only after he killed his alleged assailant. If you can believe that. Personally, I've got a bit of a problem with that.

Water runs downhill, as does blood. If you are laying on your back the blood would flow back into the sinuses not out the front.

The blood on the mouth in zimmermans bloody picture is directly under the nose so good chance it is the blood from the nose.

That blood would have been running into the sinus while zimmerman in the supine position.

After he shoots the guy and sits up or stands up the blood would then flow out the front and cover the face in blood, but too late

to make it onto Trayvons hands.

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So GZ fired with his right hand? I was thinking he reached across with his left to draw his gun. Although if he did pinch TM's hand above the elbow or higher, he probably could have moved his wrist and hand to draw his gun since his hand could have been right near it depending upon the angle of TM's arm and where he had the hand pin. George did say in the video that his shirt or jacket had ridden up exposing his gun and he felt or saw TM start to make a grab for it and that is when he drew and fired.

What I don't get is that supposedly TM has beat the dog s#it out of him all fight, TM see's a gun and goes for it with one hand?

TM has overpowered him all night and suddenly can't reach the gun?

I think if at any point this is where TM really uses his strength but apparently GZ is suddenly a superhero.

I'd add, this is when TM supposedly says "you're gonna die tonight MFer" so at every turn TM does the villain telegraph dialog move...convenient scripting by the screenwriter.

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-John Kenneth Galbraith

 

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 5-17-2013 - NOA1

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 8-01-2013 - NOA2  (76 Days from NOA1)

 9-20-2013 - NVC received!

10-7-2013  - Received at embassy Manila (17 days from receiving at NVC)

10-21-2013 - Passed Medical

10-25-2013 - Interview scheduled

10-25-2013 - Administrative Review

11-5-2013  -  Approved

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12-14-2013 - Wedding Ruston Washington.

 

 

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The ME will testify, of course. I don't have an answer for why Zimmermann's blood was not found on the scene or on Martin's hands. To me, it simply doesn't make sense that Martin had this intense physical contact with the injured, bloody parts of Zimmermann's face and no a drop of Zimmermann's blood is present on Martin's hands or sleeves. I'd think that the 30-50 feet are a big deal. Maybe I'm wrong but to me that raises questions as to the veracity of Zimmermann's account.

It's not 30-50 ft. It is a full 50

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What I don't get is that supposedly TM has beat the dog s#it out of him all fight, TM see's a gun and goes for it with one hand?

TM has overpowered him all night and suddenly can't reach the gun?

I think if at any point this is where TM really uses his strength but apparently GZ is suddenly a superhero.

I'd add, this is when TM supposedly says "you're gonna die tonight MFer" so at every turn TM does the villain telegraph dialog move...convenient scripting by the screenwriter.

Where were TM's hands just before he reached for the gun? You said both of George's arms were free so TM had to have his hands somewhere on GZ in order to pin him to the ground. He may have continued to use one arm/hand to hold GZ down while using the other hand to attempt to grab the gun and GZ pinched this hand under his right arm? I'm just throwing out the first thing that comes to mind-not to defend GZ but just as an explanation.

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