Zimmerman Trial Live Feed - Day Six

[RGinWA 816]

So if the guy had pulled off the road and I approached him, when I could have kept driving.

Who has testified GZ reached into his pocket ?

GZ has said that's when he was hit every time.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

So he can't be pissed because he's being followed?

Maybe he's not scared but upset at being followed? How would anyone know?

He obviously asked why he was being followed, GZ didn't answer truthfully about why he was following? Yet then he reached in his pocket. That's when he admits he got clocked. That's not reasonable either...but all GZ's actions are reasonable?

If it was the other way around and TM followed and killed him, would you have the same opinion? Or would TM be stocking him?

Of course TM can be pissed if he was followed. It sounds like he was so pissed he started throwing punches. Maybe TM thought he was reaching for a weapon and hit him. Was GZ reaching for his gun or was it really his phone? TM would not have any way of knowing.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It's you that lumped CNN, MSNBC, Salon and Al-Jazeera together. You. Not me. How about you own up to what you say every now and then?

GZ walks away and TM gets slam dunked like the assault weapons ban/background check. CCW permit issuance will increase in FL. Tough shitski

[spookyturtle 9,466]

If they pretended they had a gun, on the highway would you be justified ramming them?

Just like GZ reaching into his pocket, would you be justified at say punching a guy for that quick motion after he just followed you three times in 4 minutes?

If you say no then you're really stretching human restraint.

And if someone was on top of you flailing away and you had the means to stop him but decided to wait to see if he knocked you out, you'd be showing even more restraint.

[RGinWA 816]

Then leave it at home. Modern firearms have every sort of safety to prevent accidental discharge, you aren't carrying a M1873 Colt. My M1911s have 5 different safeties, 4 of them are "passive" . Even my M1903 Colt .32 has three safeties, 2 of them passive. Take off the lace panties RG and get comfortable being armed. Its important.

I carry with a round under a cocked hammer and the thumb safety on, the way it was designed to be carried. The gun is ALWAYS ready to use. Always. It is always loaded with hollow points and I carry a .45 most days because I consider a 9mm "puny", though it worked well enough in this case. You sound as racist as "Mox" who said he only carried a gun with the chamber loaded "in bad neighborhoods" and then ran from the thread when asked what a "bad neighborhood" meant. I always carry the gun ready to use, I am not racist.

As I have said, GZ walks away. I am beginning to think, from reading the comments on today's proceedings, there may be no defense at all but a directed verdict.

GZ's firearm has no safety, just long trigger travel. With a round in the chamber its ready to fire.

Is there any other safety measure you'd like to advise me on? What have I done the last 50 years without all this weapon advice?

So I'm a racist now? lol funny...

[spookyturtle 9,466]

The physical evidence doesn't support Martin being dragged. That means the confrontation happened away from the T. Which means Zimmermann is lying.

And what does he gain by lying about where it took place if the rest of the evidence supports his story? Does it change that TM did hit him and caused bleeding? Or that a witness saw TM on top? Or do you think the wounds were self inflicted? Serious question.

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[RGinWA 816]

And if someone was on top of you flailing away and you had the means to stop him but decided to wait to see if he knocked you out, you'd be showing even more restraint.

The key is who instigated the fight? Can it be only the one who connects the first punch or does reaching for a perceived weapon count? If not we should all wait until the weapon is pulled and submit to our fate.

So in my scenario TM thinking GZ has a weapon is not justified, but GZ is ok because he got his clock cleaned?

The man has two arms and two hands and he used neither? That sounds odd to me if I'm on the jury.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

The key is who instigated the fight? Can it be only the one who connects the first punch or does reaching for a perceived weapon count? If not we should all wait until the weapon is pulled and submit to our fate.

So in my scenario TM thinking GZ has a weapon is not justified, but GZ is ok because he got his clock cleaned?

The man has two arms and two hands and he used neither? That sounds odd to me if I'm on the jury.

Does it matter who started the fight in order for it to be self defense. I start a fight, get my a$$ kicked, my opponent really goes over the top and start bashing my skull against a hard surface, causing me great fear of bodily hard, so I shoot him. Because I started the fight it would have been ok for the other guy to ** me up?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And what does he gain by lying about where it took place if the rest of the evidence supports his story? Does it change that TM did hit him and caused bleeding? Or that a witness saw TM on top? Or do you think the wounds were self inflicted? Serious question.

It changes the whole premise that Martin initiated the altercation. Zimmermann maintains that he was attacked and knocked to the ground by the teen at the T as he was walking back to his car. That seems rather implausible to me seeing the location of the dead body. So if the altercation happened away from the T, then Zimmermann wasn't on his way back to the truck but rather still in pursuit of the teen. That eats away at Zimmermann's credibility. That changes everything.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It changes the whole premise that Martin initiated the altercation. Zimmermann maintains that he was attacked and knocked to the ground by the teen at the T as he was walking back to his car. That seems rather implausible to me seeing the location of the dead body. So if the altercation happened away from the T, then Zimmermann wasn't on his way back to the truck but rather still in pursuit of the teen. That eats away at Zimmermann's credibility. That changes everything.

I think that GZ was trying to find TM. But that still isn't illegal. The scene could have gone down exactly as stated, but in a slightly different location. The rest of the evidence appears to fit the account of what happened.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Does it matter who started the fight in order for it to be self defense. I start a fight, get my a$$ kicked, my opponent really goes over the top and start bashing my skull against a hard surface, causing me great fear of bodily hard, so I shoot him. Because I started the fight it would have been ok for the other guy to ** me up?

There's no evidence to support that claim. The two minor lacerations on the back of the head rather support that he did not have his skull bashed against a hard surface. When you look at those two scratches Zimmermann sported on the back of his head, those did not come from having one's skull "bashed" against a hard surface.

I think that GZ was trying to find TM. But that still isn't illegal. The scene could have gone down exactly as stated, but in a slightly different location. The rest of the evidence appears to fit the account of what happened.

So Zimmermann is lying then. If he's lying about that, what else is he lying about?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

There's no evidence to support that claim. The two minor lacerations on the back of the head rather support that he did not have his skull bashed against a hard surface. When you look at those two scratches Zimmermann sported on the back of his head, those did not come from having one's skull "bashed" against a hard surface.

I bet you could have your head bashed hard enough in one shot to knock you out and not even bleed. What about the bloody nose? Self inflicted? What about TM being on top? Just part of the show waiting for the right moment to shoot him? You do think this was all planned out ahead of time, corrrect?

There's no evidence to support that claim. The two minor lacerations on the back of the head rather support that he did not have his skull bashed against a hard surface. When you look at those two scratches Zimmermann sported on the back of his head, those did not come from having one's skull "bashed" against a hard surface.

So Zimmermann is lying then. If he's lying about that, what else is he lying about?

Maybe nothing? What other discrepancies are there in addition to the location of the altercation?

[RGinWA 816]

Does it matter who started the fight in order for it to be self defense. I start a fight, get my a$$ kicked, my opponent really goes over the top and start bashing my skull against a hard surface, causing me great fear of bodily hard, so I shoot him. Because I started the fight it would have been ok for the other guy to ** me up?

He didn't spend an hour in the hospital? Getting in a fight is life threatening. Being a neighbor hood watch is life threatening. Driving on the freeway is life threatening. Humans die really easy.

With that rational we could get into a fight and shoot when we got winded?

It does matter.

There's no skull fracture and at the time of the shooting he was not on the cement and he even testified to that. Supposedly the screaming man was being suffocated when he shot. It doesn't add up to me...maybe the jury will see it.

Fights are scary granted, but one punch could make you fear for your life...its subjective.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

He didn't spend an hour in the hospital? Getting in a fight is life threatening. Being a neighbor hood watch is life threatening. Driving on the freeway is life threatening. Humans die really easy.

With that rational we could get into a fight and shoot when we got winded?

It does matter.

There's no skull fracture and at the time of the shooting he was not on the cement and he even testified to that. Supposedly the screaming man was being suffocated when he shot. It doesn't add up to me...maybe the jury will see it.

Fights are scary granted, but one punch could make you fear for your life...its subjective.

What if GZ was struggling with all his might and couldn't shake TM? We don't know what words were exchanged other than what George claims. Did TM threaten to kill him? Entirely possible in a fit of rage. And I agree, every fight doesn't justify the one losing to shoot.

[RGinWA 816]

What if GZ was struggling with all his might and couldn't shake TM? We don't know what words were exchanged other than what George claims. Did TM threaten to kill him? Entirely possible in a fit of rage. And I agree, every fight doesn't justify the one losing to shoot.

I've had 20 guys claim they were gonna kill me...obviously humans like to say that a lot.

There would be only 10 million on the planet if everyone who claimed it went through with it.

Besides, a guy winning a fight handily doesn't usually say "I'm gonna kill you". Its usually the guy losing and he's got a reason right?