Zimmerman Trial Live Feed - Day Six

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

It's yes or no sir!

Do you consider CNN a liberal commie news organization!

And did you order the code red!

Had always thought CNN had a bit of a left lean. Not nearly as bad as MSNBC which is a joke, I never considered CNN to be just totally liberal biased. So not sure what Mr. Big Dog and his Caba chick lap dog are barking about.

P.S. Now that CNN confirms that the prosecution is getting it's ### handed to them, I am cool with them

[RGinWA 816]

Zimmerman walked past the place where TM had turned towards his home. GZ went to look for a street marker. He back tracked towards his truck, when TM appeared, coming from the opposite direction he would need to travel to safety.

He then approached GZ and attacked him . Why would someone who is scared do that.. Approach the person he was scared of twice.

If TM was scared as many have said. Why would he approach GZ' truck before GZ got out. why if you were scared would you approach the GZ vehicle. If GZ was spoiling for a fight. Why did he roll up his window and continue talking to the police as TM circled his vehicle.

So he can't be pissed because he's being followed?

Maybe he's not scared but upset at being followed? How would anyone know?

He obviously asked why he was being followed, GZ didn't answer truthfully about why he was following? Yet then he reached in his pocket. That's when he admits he got clocked. That's not reasonable either...but all GZ's actions are reasonable?

If it was the other way around and TM followed and killed him, would you have the same opinion? Or would TM be stocking him?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Zimmerman walked past the place where TM had turned towards his home. GZ went to look for a street marker. He back tracked towards his truck, when TM appeared, coming from the opposite direction he would need to travel to safety.

He then approached GZ and attacked him . Why would someone who is scared do that.. Approach the person he was scared of twice.

If TM was scared as many have said. Why would he approach GZ' truck before GZ got out. why if you were scared would you approach the GZ vehicle. If GZ was spoiling for a fight. Why did he roll up his window and continue talking to the police as TM circled his vehicle.

So how did Martin end up dead on the grass 30 feet away from the T where Zimmermann says Martin knocked him to the ground and got on top of him to where he couldn't move? If he was knocked to the ground on his way back to the truck at the T and if couldn't move following that knock down, how did he manage to get Martin's body some 30 feet away from the T? That's a neat trick. Just as neat a trick as getting the dead Martin to pull his hands under his chest.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So he can't be pissed because he's being followed?

Maybe he's not scared but upset at being followed? How would anyone know?

He obviously asked why he was being followed, GZ didn't answer truthfully about why he was following? Yet then he reached in his pocket. That's when he admits he got clocked. That's not reasonable either...but all GZ's actions are reasonable?

If it was the other way around and TM followed and killed him, would you have the same opinion? Or would TM be stocking him?

Now we are starting to come to middle ground. Yes I think TM was pissed GZ was following him. I think that 100% That however does not give you the right to assault someone.

Somebody on the interstate the other day kept passing me the slowing back down so I had to pass them, them pass me again. They would cut right back in front of me then slow down from 70 to 55. It pissed me off. That does not give me the right to run them off the road and start beating the ####### out of them or to start shooting at them.

If it was the other way around and GZ had attacked TM first. then I would be ok with it

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Same time there are witness who say GZ was telling truth, now incident happen on "T" or little away from "T" is another thing.

The only thing coming close to an eye witness to the altercation actually testified that he never saw Zimmermann's head being slammed onto the concrete. The injuries do not support that account either. Nor was the witness able to confirm whether Martin actually got any punches into Zimmermann. Not did he witness how the altercation began. So really, what the witness saw could really just have been Martin defending himself. That's speculation but so is who threw the first punch. The issue is whether the only person that knows what happened is credible. And thus far, his story does not add up.

[RGinWA 816]

Same time there are witness who say GZ was telling truth, now incident happen on "T" or little away from "T" is another thing.

Statements after such incidents cannot be accurate, just like the photo line up.

Even the victims have pointed to wrong guy in photo line up.

It is usually the difference in a conviction and a not guilty.

So it better match up in a murder case.

That's how it works.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

your objectivity has gone up in smoke

I thought my humor would be obvious.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Had always thought CNN had a bit of a left lean. Not nearly as bad as MSNBC which is a joke, I never considered CNN to be just totally liberal biased. So not sure what Mr. Big Dog and his Caba chick lap dog are barking about.

It's you that lumped CNN, MSNBC, Salon and Al-Jazeera together. You. Not me. How about you own up to what you say every now and then?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Zimmermann may not have thrown a punch but he either dragged or tossed Martin some 30 feet (or was it 30 yards) from where he says Martin knocked him to the ground to where Zimmermann finally ended up killing and disposing of Martin. Come to think of it, must have tossed him since there are no marks indicating an extensive drag. Of course, if he tossed him then there should be marks from the landing which aren't there either. Could it be that Zimmermann's account is inaccurate?

I bet if he dragged him 30 feet there would be grass stains all over TM since it was raining. Maybe even dirt on his clothing. Should be fairly obvious. What does the police report say?

If you have a gun in one hand and the other holding the suspect, then yeah, you could catch a good beating just holding on.

Lots of different things could happen and explain the long distance of the altercation. Yet none of them are in GZ's account.

The story has holes.

With gun in hand the beating never gets any momentum. Most people would put their hand up to avoid being shot.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The only thing coming close to an eye witness to the altercation actually testified that he never saw Zimmermann's head being slammed onto the concrete. The injuries do not support that account either. Nor was the witness able to confirm whether Martin actually got any punches into Zimmermann. Not did he witness how the altercation began. So really, what the witness saw could really just have been Martin defending himself. That's speculation but so is who threw the first punch. The issue is whether the only person that knows what happened is credible. And thus far, his story does not add up.

LOL your gasping now dude.

The guy testified that he believed it was GZ calling for help and that TM was on top of him beating him MMA style. He testified he could see the arms flailing away at GZ but from his angle he could not see the punches landing. Maybe TM was hitting the dirt beside him to scare him

Maybe TM was on top of him wailing away to block the beat down GZ was putting on him while laying flat on his back

You are right those big wounds on the back of his head. I think GZ did him to him self after he shot him... Geezh

[RGinWA 816]

Now we are starting to come to middle ground. Yes I think TM was pissed GZ was following him. I think that 100% That however does not give you the right to assault someone.

Somebody on the interstate the other day kept passing me the slowing back down so I had to pass them, them pass me again. They would cut right back in front of me then slow down from 70 to 55. It pissed me off. That does not give me the right to run them off the road and start beating the ####### out of them or to start shooting at them.

If it was the other way around and GZ had attacked TM first. then I would be ok with it

If they pretended they had a gun, on the highway would you be justified ramming them?

Just like GZ reaching into his pocket, would you be justified at say punching a guy for that quick motion after he just followed you three times in 4 minutes?

If you say no then you're really stretching human restraint.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I bet if he dragged him 30 feet there would be grass stains all over TM since it was raining. Maybe even dirt on his clothing. Should be fairly obvious. What does the police report say?

The physical evidence doesn't support Martin being dragged. That means the confrontation happened away from the T. Which means Zimmermann is lying.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If they pretended they had a gun, on the highway would you be justified ramming them?

Just like GZ reaching into his pocket, would you be justified at say punching a guy for that quick motion after he just followed you three times in 4 minutes?

If you say no then you're really stretching human restraint.

So if the guy had pulled off the road and I approached him, when I could have kept driving.

Who has testified GZ reached into his pocket ?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

LOL your gasping now dude.

I'm not grasping at all. Why would I? I have no dogs in this race. Yes, I'd like to see the man who - in my opinion unjustifiably - killed an unarmed kid convicted and off the streets. But in the end, I've got nothing to gain or lose one way or the other. Looking at the information that is available, Zimmermann's story does not add up. It just doesn't.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It's only evidence, they are building a house with it.

What seems a point for defense is quite possibly a brick in the foundation of a conviction.

He had a Keltec 9mm with hollow points and one in the chamber? I never carry with it racked and I have a safety on my semi auto 32. I wouldn't advise that to anyone.

Then leave it at home. Modern firearms have every sort of safety to prevent accidental discharge, you aren't carrying a M1873 Colt. My M1911s have 5 different safeties, 4 of them are "passive" . Even my M1903 Colt .32 has three safeties, 2 of them passive. Take off the lace panties RG and get comfortable being armed. Its important.

I carry with a round under a cocked hammer and the thumb safety on, the way it was designed to be carried. The gun is ALWAYS ready to use. Always. It is always loaded with hollow points and I carry a .45 most days because I consider a 9mm "puny", though it worked well enough in this case. You sound as racist as "Mox" who said he only carried a gun with the chamber loaded "in bad neighborhoods" and then ran from the thread when asked what a "bad neighborhood" meant. I always carry the gun ready to use, I am not racist.

As I have said, GZ walks away. I am beginning to think, from reading the comments on today's proceedings, there may be no defense at all but a directed verdict.