The Quote That Should End the Trayvon Trial

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Yep, and this is crucial because Zimmerman maintains that he was not following Martin when his actions indicate otherwise. He claims Martin jumped him from behind as he was heading back to his vehicle (trying to convey that at that point, he was merely minding his own business).

(the following scenario is not only possibly, but plausible, given GZ's history of being hot tempered and getting violent when he felt sleighted)

GZ had studied law enforcement - he had a pretty good handle on what would qualify as self defense if and when he would decide to use his gun, but he was conflicted that night because of his temper. He wasn't about to let another one get away this time. He was prepared, he had been training in MMA, he had his gun... and the lousy dispatcher (not even a police officer) tells this badas$ to back off and let the police do their job, only they never do their job because these as$holes always get away. ** that! GZ was going to be hero that night and bag one. He was going to settle a score with all the fvcking punks who have gotten away with breaking into his neighborhood before. So he put that proverbial chip on his shoulder, following the suspect into the darkness hoping that this fvcking punk would dare to challenge him...and it worked! The fvcking punk is going ballistic! GZ just puts his arms up to block because he doesn't want it to look like a brawl, but he gets clocked in the nose by the fvcking punk. The kid is yelling at him, asking him why he was following him, but GZ doesn't answer him because if TM stops after he's told that GZ is the neighborhood watchman and that the police are minutes away, he might run off and shooting him in the back would be difficult to explain. GZ fumbles/trips on the ground and TM lays into him. Now it's beginning to look more favorable if GZ decides to use lethal force. The kid is still ballistic, not knowing who GZ is or why he was following TM - he's afraid for his life and his adrenaline is shooting through his veins. He just wants this creepy stranger to stop following him - he was fighting for his life, in his mind. Then a shot came. TM collapses. GZ grabs him and overtakes him, but the TM's now lifeless body shows no willingness to continue fighting. GZ sees the first neighbor and tells him he shot someone in self defense.

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Now lets revisit highlights from the police interview:

Sanford Police Detectives Chris Serino and Doris Singleton interviewed George Zimmerman in the hours and days after he killed Trayvon Martin. Newly released video and audio proves that they both had serious reservations about his story, reports the Miami Herald.

Detailing his encounter with Martin, Zimmerman told Singleton that the “bad guys always get away. ” This prompted Serino to accuse Zimmerman of profiling:

“You wanted to catch him. You wanted to catch the bad guy, the f—–g punk who can’t get away,” Serino said.

Zimmerman replied, “I wasn’t following him; I was just going in the same direction he was.”

Serino responded, “That’s following.”

Serino referred to Zimmerman as probably being a “good guy,” but found it suspicious that his minor injuries didn’t match his account of being viciously beaten by a “child” carrying candy and an iced tea. He also noted that Zimmerman had no defensive wounds on his hands, as one would expect from such a violent struggle.

According to the Herald:

“That was a kid with a future, a kid with folks that care. Not a goon,” he said. “In his mind’s eye, he perceived you as a threat. He has every right to defend himself.”

Zimmerman repeatedly told police that Trayvon Martin sucker-punched him, tried to suffocate him and bashed his head into the concrete to the point it felt his “head was going to explode.” He said Trayvon tried to take his gun from him before saying: “You’re going to die tonight, motherf—–.”

But Serino wondered why Zimmerman’s skull wasn’t fractured, why he didn’t know the street names of a tiny neighborhood where he’d lived for three years… Serino got him to acknowledge what Trayvon’s parents and lawyers have said all along: that Zimmerman got out of his car that night not so much to check for an address to give police, but to find out where the teen went.

At that point Serino plays a 911 call where you can hear the screams in the background — Zimmerman claims that it’s him screaming and Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, says that it’s clearly her son — and asked Zimmerman how is it that he’s screaming if Martin was covering his mouth.

“He just punched me in the nose. And I fell backwards and to the side, and somehow I wound up on my back. He ended up on top of me. And he just kept punching my face. And my head. And I was screaming for help,” Zimmerman said. (this coincides with the above scenario that I wrote)

“Shut the f— up,” Trayvon said as he kept punching him, Zimmerman recounted.

“He slammed my head into the concrete,” Zimmerman said. “Each time it felt like my head was going to explode… And then he covered my nose with one hand and my mouth with the other one. And he told me shut the f— up. And I couldn’t breathe. I was suffocating. And all I could think about was I didn’t want him to keep slamming my head against the concrete.” (GZ really wants to sell his self defense claim to the police making it sound like he was overpowered, that his arms were pinned and he couldn't throw off TM who weighed less than he)

In a separate interview, Singleton accuses Zimmerman of misleading her on the night of Martin’s death when he said that the only reason that he got out of his car was to verify the address for the police.

“You decided to get the address a fraction of a second after you said, ‘Oh s–t. He’s running?’” Det. Singleton said. “And it sounds like you’re running too.” (crucial piece of evidence that shows not only did GZ lie to police, he was in fact in pursuit of TM which again supports my scenario)

Zimmerman’s reply: It was just windy.

Listen to interviews below:

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http://newsone.com/2022288/zimmerman-police-interviews/

Once upon a time in a land far far away

[Karee 4,191]

He'll have room and board in public facilities.

Close your eyes and repeat that 3 times while clicking your ruby red slippers together. You never know, it might happen. Worked for Dorothy.

[himher 634]

That makes you uninformed. Thanks for pointing out that have you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm informed as to what happened in the courtroom. You know, where it matters. Thanks for the irrelevant discussion though.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

The first witness on the scene to the murder. Arrived when TM was still alive and GZ on top.

Here is my discrepancy at 18:40 GZ now has his cellphone and asks the only up close witness to secure it for him and call his wife.

In the other walk through version he forgot his phone correct? Or am I mistaken?

This witness arrived at the scene 10-20 seconds after the gunshot, by his own estimation. GZ was standing with his cellphone to his ear. According to this witness, GZ was cool, calm and collected, no signs of stress or shock and very coherent. He said GZ never looked at the body and insisted that this witness tell his wife he just shot someone.

Whose flashlight was on the ground near TM's body? And one thing I find odd about this witness-when they heard the altercation outside, he told his wife not to look out the window, we don't want to get involved or something to that effect. So he sees 2 men fighting outside and stays away. As soon as he hears a gunshot, he runs out the door to see what's going on. For some reason, that strikes me as odd behavior. If I hear 2 people fighting in the street and then a gunshot, I doubt I would run out the door to check it out. My first reaction would be, sh!t, someones got a gun. I'm calling the cops and staying inside. But that's just me and it may mean nothing. TM was not moving when this witness arrived and said that the body was face down.

I also find it odd that he took pictures of GZ's injuries when the police were on their way. He said that GZ looked like he had been in a fight. The blood on the back of his head was probably running due to being wet by the rain, but that doesn't mean that his head wasn't slammed hard several times. He could have had his head slammed against the sidewalk and not be bleeding profusely.

Where did the flashlight next to TM come from? And a bit odd that GZ didn't seem to be phased by what happened, at least according to this witness. Also, the witness asked GZ what caliber gun he used? #######? If that isn't an odd question moments after the shooting, I don't know what is.

Edited June 30, 2013 by spookyturtle

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

This witness arrived at the scene 10-20 seconds after the gunshot, by his own estimation. GZ was standing with his cellphone to his ear. According to this witness, GZ was cool, calm and collected, no signs of stress or shock and very coherent. He said GZ never looked at the body and insisted that this witness tell his wife he just shot someone.

What else would you expect from a coldhearted killer that has never shown any remorse for this evil deed.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

What else would you expect from a coldhearted killer that has never shown any remorse for this evil deed.

Right now, I'm on the jury. The videos that have been posted are the first that I have watched. I haven't devoted my life to this trial like many here. I appreciate what RG has been posting. I raised my questions from watching the first witness to the scene. Whose flashlight was on the ground next to TM's body? And I do find it odd that GZ was not in shock or hyped up on adrenaline. That alone does not prove guilt. I would think that he would be a bit dazed after having his head slammed on the sidewalk a few times. He was bleeding, so he must have taken some blows. Who hit who first? Again, thus far it doesn't appear that he had gun in hand hunting TM.

[lostinblue 1,989]

What else would you expect from a coldhearted killer that has never shown any remorse for this evil deed.

An odd statement from someone who fought in the military and saw action.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Listen to interviews below:

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http://newsone.com/2022288/zimmerman-police-interviews/

None of the audio link work here or from the site you linked to.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

An odd statement from someone who fought in the military and saw action.

I never left the US in uniform. I know plenty that did, and the ones that did engage in actual combat, don't take that as cavalierly as some here seem to.

[Dan and Judy 614]

Right now, I'm on the jury. The videos that have been posted are the first that I have watched. I haven't devoted my life to this trial like many here. I appreciate what RG has been posting. I raised my questions from watching the first witness to the scene. Whose flashlight was on the ground next to TM's body? And I do find it odd that GZ was not in shock or hyped up on adrenaline. That alone does not prove guilt. I would think that he would be a bit dazed after having his head slammed on the sidewalk a few times. He was bleeding, so he must have taken some blows. Who hit who first? Again, thus far it doesn't appear that he had gun in hand hunting TM.

It was Zimmermans flashlight, I think he said he had two. Having your bell rung enough to give you those bumps and lacerations is going to daze you whether the killing did or not.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Close your eyes and repeat that 3 times while clicking your ruby red slippers together. You never know, it might happen. Worked for Dorothy.

[Dan and Judy 614]

And one thing I find odd about this witness-when they heard the altercation outside, he told his wife not to look out the window, we don't want to get involved or something to that effect. So he sees 2 men fighting outside and stays away. As soon as he hears a gunshot, he runs out the door to see what's going on. For some reason, that strikes me as odd behavior. If I hear 2 people fighting in the street and then a gunshot, I doubt I would run out the door to check it out. My first reaction would be, sh!t, someones got a gun. I'm calling the cops and staying inside. But that's just me and it may mean nothing. TM was not moving when this witness arrived and said that the body was face down.

I also find it odd that he took pictures of GZ's injuries when the police were on their way. He said that GZ looked like he had been in a fight. The blood on the back of his head was probably running due to being wet by the rain, but that doesn't mean that his head wasn't slammed hard several times. He could have had his head slammed against the sidewalk and not be bleeding profusely.

Where did the flashlight next to TM come from? And a bit odd that GZ didn't seem to be phased by what happened, at least according to this witness. Also, the witness asked GZ what caliber gun he used? #######? If that isn't an odd question moments after the shooting, I don't know what is.

The "we dont want to get involved" mixed with going out after the gun shot is odd. We know he went out. It's possible he made up the we don't want to get involved but I don't see a motive.

What caliber ? Struck me as odd also. Taking the pictures. This guy was calm cool and collected also. I believe he was able to sell the pictures.

What caliber would seem like an appropriate question if one hunter had just met another hunter who had killed a deer.

[Dan and Judy 614]

well I screwed that up, I mixed my stuff with the quote

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Just for the record, in the video George starts walking back towards the car at a normal speed and it took him 24 sec to get the intersection of the T which was less than half way back to the car, so your 30 seconds to the car doesn't hold water

He starts back at 9:31 in the video and gets to the T intersection at 9:55, 24 seconds

However I dont believe he was heading to the car either.

So say it would take a minute or even a minute and a half. By that timeline he should have been at his car by the time the call with the dispatcher ended. He wasn't. Thus, he is lying when he claims that he was headed back to the car after he confirmed having understood that he should not follow Martin. If it is clear that he's lying about that, one must ask what else is he lying about?

[RGinWA 816]

Right now, I'm on the jury. The videos that have been posted are the first that I have watched. I haven't devoted my life to this trial like many here. I appreciate what RG has been posting. I raised my questions from watching the first witness to the scene. Whose flashlight was on the ground next to TM's body? And I do find it odd that GZ was not in shock or hyped up on adrenaline. That alone does not prove guilt. I would think that he would be a bit dazed after having his head slammed on the sidewalk a few times. He was bleeding, so he must have taken some blows. Who hit who first? Again, thus far it doesn't appear that he had gun in hand hunting TM.

Things that should be taken into account.

1. GZ had been arrested twice before. Once for assault on a police officer and once for Domestic Violence.

A. The experience would have taught him a few things about the legal system that only criminals learn. Have one story etc...

B. He took diversion classes to defer his sentence which exposed him to other accused individuals and their stories.

C. In both cases he would have given statements to the police, which could only help him in this instance to be prepared.

D. Now GZ is seasoned at this kind of interaction and he is versed in the legal aspect from his law enforcement studies. He's not a novice at dealing with the police by any stretch.

E. He never looks rattled or remorseful in any interview. He's calculated and detached from the death, which rings like he doesn't really give TM that much thought. It's just a righteous kill to him, like another day at the office.

Maybe none of this will be presented at trial in this way since so far the prosecution is missing these nuances. But as I've said maybe its all in the summation.

I say GZ knew not to say anything that would make him look like he followed TM or started the altercation. Do you think he'd say "I tried to grab TM and he punched me" there's no way, he even stated emphatically "I went in his direction, but I wasn't following him". That's not even plausible. It's like looking for someone, but not wanting to find them.

He's no choir boy, he's seasoned in what to do legally and has been arrested at least twice before. Remember, "These fvcking punks, they always get away with it". That's what's in his mind and comes out not to the 911 person, but just a Freudian slip in the moment over the phone.

GZ says "he looks like he's on drugs"? How does someone appear when they think someone is stalking them? I'd say they'd look a little sketchy, but not because they are high, but because maybe they fear the worst? Because TM was not on drugs correct?

There is doubt to self defense and you could even argue in TM's mind he was only defending himself. So with that being equal its like an accidental bar fight, mutual combat and a manslaughter charge. Forget the circus, it's not that complicated. Remember, TM is still legally a minor and that will be taken into account.