The Quote That Should End the Trayvon Trial

[lostinblue 1,989]

travon wanted to play big man with his woman on the phone, That is why he turned around and stalked this cracker when he was right by his home.. Some suspect this other girl on the 3 way was the only one to talking to travon. She knows well what what down. .... That is why she is out of sight.

[himher 634]

GZ wasn't contributing to the incident by calling the police. That was the right thing to do. His contribution to the incident started when he began following TM. We only have GZ's story as to what TM did. Did he attack first? Was he really kicking GZ's a$$? What is there for medical evidence to support this claim? Was GZ hurt? I'm asking as I haven't spent any time on the details of the case.

It does not matter as this is what the statute says, word for word: (Florida 776.013)

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another

If the evidence shows, and it appears to do so, that Trayvon ATTACKED GZ then he will walk. It does not matter if GZ followed him or not. He had the right to be there and he had the right to follow Trayvon and it was not unlawful for him to do so. GZ had 3 bumps/bruises to the head, 2 cuts, and his head was scraped in a way "consistant with contact with cement" on both sides, and this is from the PROSECUTION witness. The neighbor testified that Trayvon was on top of GZ straddling him and his arm was going up and down consistent with MMA "ground and pound". There is no way the prosecution will be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that GZ was NOT attacked and if he was then he was within the law. He was stupid yes, but under the law he should have never been prosecuted in the first place.

PS: He doesn't have to be "in fear of his life". He just has to want to prevent great bodily harm to himself.

Edited June 30, 2013 by himher

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

GZ was out of his vehicle when they said we don't need you to follow. He said OK! He did not say no. He was heading back to his vehicle when TM assaulted him

That doesn't add up either. After he said "OK" (@2:28), he was out of and away from his vehicle for another 1:40. Per Zimmermann's own account, he was never more than 30 seconds away from his truck. Did he get lost on his way back to his truck?

[Karee 4,190]

If Zimmermann was approaching the clubhouse on his way to the grocery, he could not have seen anyone at the mailboxes. Coming down Retreat View Circle from Zimmermann's residence towards the entrance of the community where he would make a left turn to exit the gated community, the little side building that houses the mailboxes is behind the clubhouse - next to the clubhouse off of Twin Tree Lane. There is landscaping that would block the view from Retreat View Circle. Now, he could have seen him entering the community and followed him down Twin Tree Lane or he was on Twin Tree Lane to begin with. I can't quite visualize how he would have seen Martin at the mailboxes any other way. It was dark and rainy, too. Bottom line, his story doesn't add up.

I wonder how may morons are driving into this neighborhood to take photos of where this happened so they can post them to Facebook? Sorry to go OT.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If Zimmermann was approaching the clubhouse on his way to the grocery, he could not have seen anyone at the mailboxes. Coming down Retreat View Circle from Zimmermann's residence towards the entrance of the community where he would make a left turn to exit the gated community, the little side building that houses the mailboxes is behind the clubhouse - next to the clubhouse off of Twin Tree Lane. There is landscaping that would block the view from Retreat View Circle. Now, he could have seen him entering the community and followed him down Twin Tree Lane or he was on Twin Tree Lane to begin with. I can't quite visualize how he would have seen Martin at the mailboxes any other way. It was dark and rainy, too. Bottom line, his story doesn't add up.

Grassy Knoll. The prosecution is toast.. All that is left is the police officers then the defense present it's case as if it needs to

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

If the evidence shows, and it appears to do so, that Trayvon ATTACKED GZ then he will walk.

The only "evidence" that supports Martin being the one that attacked Zimmermann is Zimmermann's testimony. A lot of Zimmermann's testimony is demonstrably false. He's been lying a lot. So all you have in support of the idea that Martin attacked Zimmermann is the word of a lying killer. Not the strongest evidence. He'll have room and board in public facilities.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Grassy Knoll. The prosecution is toast.. All that is left is the police officers then the defense present it's case as if it needs to

It isn't the first time that you're wrong and it won't be the last. The prosecution ought to look forward to the testimony of the lead investigator who wanted Zimmermann arrested and charged all along. He knows that Zimmermann is lying and I think he'll make a great witness. Not one that the defense can easily shake. It'll be fun to watch Zimmermann move into our state facilities.

I wonder how may morons are driving into this neighborhood to take photos of where this happened so they can post them to Facebook? Sorry to go OT.

The pic is off of bingmaps.

[Karee 4,190]

It isn't the first time that you're wrong and it won't be the last. The prosecution ought to look forward to the testimony of the lead investigator who wanted Zimmermann arrested and charged all along. He knows that Zimmermann is lying and I think he'll make a great witness. Not one that the defense can easily shake. It'll be fun to watch Zimmermann move into our state facilities.

The pic is off of bingmaps.

Right, I get that. I'm just wondering how many idiot tourists the neighborhood is attracting because of this deal.

[himher 634]

The only "evidence" that supports Martin being the one that attacked Zimmermann is Zimmermann's testimony. A lot of Zimmermann's testimony is demonstrably false. He's been lying a lot. So all you have in support of the idea that Martin attacked Zimmermann is the word of a lying killer. Not the strongest evidence. He'll have room and board in public facilities.

I haven't seen any testimony by this "lying killer" and neither have you. Treyvon sitting on top of him on a sidewalk with his arms swinging testified by a third witness and bumps, cuts, and scrapes on the back of the head in photos taken on the same night by a 4th witness and a swollen nose, two black eyes consistent with a broken nose, and cuts on the back of the head on the next day testified to by a 5th witness also support Zimmerman being attacked.

There is exactly zero evidence to say he WASNT attacked unless you think Ursela the Sea Witch (speaking of lying witnesses LOL) counts but......she wasn't even there!

Neither was the lead investigator

Edited June 30, 2013 by himher

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I haven't seen any testimony by this "lying killer" and neither have you. Treyvon sitting on top of him on a sidewalk with his arms swinging testified by a third witness and bumps, cuts, and scrapes on the back of the head in photos taken on the same night by a 4th witness and a swollen nose, two black eyes consistent with a broken nose, and cuts on the back of the head on the next day testified to by a 5th witness also support Zimmerman being attacked.

There is exactly zero evidence to say he WASNT attacked unless you think Ursela the Sea Witch (speaking of lying witnesses LOL) counts but......she wasn't even there!

Neither was the lead investigator

Exactly the lead investigator has no more information than the attorneys, and was not there or anywhere near there. He can only testify to what the witnesses told him and we already know that.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I haven't seen any testimony by this "lying killer" and neither have you. Treyvon sitting on top of him on a sidewalk with his arms swinging testified by a third witness and bumps, cuts, and scrapes on the back of the head in photos taken on the same night by a 4th witness and a swollen nose, two black eyes consistent with a broken nose, and cuts on the back of the head on the next day testified to by a 5th witness also support Zimmerman being attacked.

There is exactly zero evidence to say he WASNT attacked unless you think Ursela the Sea Witch (speaking of lying witnesses LOL) counts but......she wasn't even there!

Neither was the lead investigator

Do you know if photos of his injuries will be submitted as evidence? I would think that the police would have taken photos too the night of the shooting. Some here are saying no injuries. I would think that if he didn't have any injuries he would have been arrested much sooner. And it also seems as if his gun was holstered when the fight took place.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Do you know if photos of his injuries will be submitted as evidence? I would think that the police would have taken photos too the night of the shooting. Some here are saying no injuries. I would think that if he didn't have any injuries he would have been arrested much sooner. And it also seems as if his gun was holstered when the fight took place.

HUH ? i am guessing you have not been watching. Hours of photos of his injuries.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Do you know if photos of his injuries will be submitted as evidence? I would think that the police would have taken photos too the night of the shooting. Some here are saying no injuries. I would think that if he didn't have any injuries he would have been arrested much sooner. And it also seems as if his gun was holstered when the fight took place.

Some here believe that if TM was ever on top of GZ, that precludes that TM was trying to kill GZ. In their world, there is no such thing as a scuffle or brawl where lethal force to end it is NOT justified. So remember that, people - you can behave provocatively toward another human being and if your behavior scares them to the point that they retaliate with aggression toward you, you have a God-given right to use lethal force to stop that aggression and you don't need to even try to use other diffusing measures - your gun is judge and executioner.

ETA: It does not matter if that person you provoked is unarmed or a minor, or if they had just been minding their own business, trying to get home out of the rain when you provoked them. According to some here - behaving provocatively toward another human being is not illegal and therefore, according to their logic, irrelevant to the outcome.

Edited June 30, 2013 by Lincolns mullet

[himher 634]

Do you know if photos of his injuries will be submitted as evidence? I would think that the police would have taken photos too the night of the shooting. Some here are saying no injuries. I would think that if he didn't have any injuries he would have been arrested much sooner. And it also seems as if his gun was holstered when the fight took place.

It turns out a neighbor took photos for another neighbor to identify GZ so they were taken minutes after the shooting. His nose was swollen and bloody and there was blood running down the back of his head. They had police photos from after he was all cleaned up but the photos from the actual incident were way worse.

They couldn't have been faked, because the guy who took them was in court and testified that he took them right after the shooting

They spent all afternoon going over every cut, bump, and scrape. The prosecution medical expert must have said "yes consistant with concrete" a dozen times

Edited June 30, 2013 by himher

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Right, I get that. I'm just wondering how many idiot tourists the neighborhood is attracting because of this deal.

There's probably a few. Maybe a lot. I don't know.