The Quote That Should End the Trayvon Trial

[B_J 2,752]

What would be helpful to the prosecution is if there were any evidence that GZ was involved in a fight instead of just a beat down. If there were any marks on TM from GZ landing a punch...a bruise, bloody nose, bruised knuckles on GZ, anything. The only fight marks are on GZ.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I see a big difference between a sucker punch and someone being on top of you pounding your head MMA style. If this case didn't have the national attention that it does, it would never even go to the jury. The judge would dismiss it before the defense even called their first witness.

I know it's hard for some people to see a difference between following and taking an a$$ whooping MMA style Not me.

He had a gun and a black person got killed by a Hispanic person. That is all they care about

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

What would be helpful to the prosecution is if there were any evidence that GZ was involved in a fight instead of just a beat down. If there were any marks on TM from GZ landing a punch...a bruise, bloody nose, bruised knuckles on GZ, anything. The only fight marks are on GZ.

Zimmerman didn't have any defensive wounds. How strange. He must be a total wimp. That is the defense case right there. Zimmerman was completely helpless against a superior assailant preventing him from determining the correct street address, and if he was not carrying his weapon ready to fire, bullet in the chamber, safety off, then Zimmerman could not have possibly survived the confrontation without becoming a vegetable.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

He had a gun and a black person got killed by a Hispanic person. That is all they care about

Who is the Hispanic person? Zimmerman self-identifies as Caucasian/white.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Blue: Because Zimmerman was well versed in procedural law, knew a few of the Sanford police officers and had long wanted to become one himself. If he was going to use his gun that night (to finally get one of the fvcking punks that always get away), he would have to play his cards right, provoke the suspect enough by following him and hope that the fvcking punk might be stupid enough to come after him, then he could shoot him in self-defense. GZ wanted a confrontation that night and he went looking for it.

Red: Listen to the police investigators interviewing Zimmerman. They did not believe for one minute that Zimmerman wasn't out looking for TM. Why? Assuming that detectives are pretty good at smelling bullsh!t - what was GZ really doing? Listen carefully to their questioning - they go back to him saying, 'these as$holes always get away' and 'oh, sh!t!' when TM started to run away.

I don't see how anyone who is impartial to this case would not take pause by that.

Also, I think it's important to point out here - just as the detectives did to Zimmerman, TM had every right to defend himself from what he perceived as a threat on his life. So, suppose both parties felt their lives were in danger that night and acted accordingly, who then is at fault? Those who believe GZ is innocent would say TM, because he allegedly threw the first punch. But wait, a punch (even a sucker punch) does not justify using lethal force in retaliation, so basically we're talking about instigating circumstances and since it is really about who instigated first, clearly Zimmerman getting out of his vehicle and following TM after he saw TM start to run away implicates him as the primary instigator.

He's not going to get away with this murder. He may have thought in his mind that he was bagging a bad guy, but that doesn't absolve his carelessness for another person's life, as well as the safety of his or anyone else in the neighborhood.

If Zimmerman didn't touch TM, what does TM have to defend himself against? Why is ok to punch someone that didn't touch you? And now you're judging guilt by the questions the detectives asked, not on GZ answers? I would bet that they ask those types of questions in every investigation. You are doing a lot of assuming here. And if the detectives were so sure he was lying, an arrest would have been made much sooner since no stunning new evidence appeared over the course of several weeks.

I'm as neutral as can be and I don't see any proof of premeditated murder that you are now portraying. So you think GZ staged the whole event, let TM beat on him for a while just so he could pull his gun and shoot him? One part of that plan could have gone terribly wrong as you so often point out in gun discussions: What if TM gotten to George's gun first and used it against him? Remember, guns are bad and usually get used against their owner?

I've asked several times, please provide real evidence, like the jury is and will see. Your entire statement above is speculation. Where are the facts. Convince me with facts, not opinion.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Zimmerman didn't have any defensive wounds. How strange. He must be a total wimp. That is the defense case right there. Zimmerman was completely helpless against a superior assailant preventing him from determining the correct street address, and if he was not carrying his weapon ready to fire, bullet in the chamber, safety off, then Zimmerman could not have possibly survived the confrontation without becoming a vegetable.

Or TM really jumped him and wailed him. If someone did that to you, how long would you wait for the assailant to stop? Serious question. At what point if it was you would you defend yourself?

[Jacque67 7,328]

If Zimmerman didn't touch TM, what does TM have to defend himself against? Why is ok to punch someone that didn't touch you? And now you're judging guilt by the questions the detectives asked, not on GZ answers? I would bet that they ask those types of questions in every investigation. You are doing a lot of assuming here. And if the detectives were so sure he was lying, an arrest would have been made much sooner since no stunning new evidence appeared over the course of several weeks.

I'm as neutral as can be and I don't see any proof of premeditated murder that you are now portraying. So you think GZ staged the whole event, let TM beat on him for a while just so he could pull his gun and shoot him? One part of that plan could have gone terribly wrong as you so often point out in gun discussions: What if TM gotten to George's gun first and used it against him? Remember, guns are bad and usually get used against their owner?

I've asked several times, please provide real evidence, like the jury is and will see. Your entire statement above is speculation. Where are the facts. Convince me with facts, not opinion.

seeing as he wasn't there at the time he can only provide suppositions.

Btw all lawyers camouflage facts and try to persuade jurors with opinions.

Define a fact for me? No such thing.

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[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Or TM really jumped him and wailed him. If someone did that to you, how long would you wait for the assailant to stop? Serious question. At what point if it was you would you defend yourself?

I don't need a gun to defend myself. Zimmerman arguably did, making either him a total wimp, or a murderer.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

seeing as he wasn't there at the time he can only provide suppositions.

Btw all lawyers camouflage facts and try to persuade jurors with opinions.

Define a fact for me? No such thing.

seeing as he wasn't there at the time he can only provide suppositions.

Btw all lawyers camouflage facts and try to persuade jurors with opinions.

Define a fact for me? No such thing.

Thank you for that informative post. I foolishly thought he was there and I believe everything I read on the internet and I trust prosecutor and defense lawyers implicitly. And since there is no such thing as a fact, your stating so isn't true either.

[B_J 2,752]

I don't need a gun to defend myself. Zimmerman arguably did, making either him a total wimp, or a murderer.

Does it really come down to that? If you're not a total bad a$$, then you should let somebody beat you to death?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I don't need a gun to defend myself. Zimmerman arguably did, making either him a total wimp, or a murderer.

Ok so GZis a wimp... He is a living wimp because he used legal deadly force to save himself from an attack. Glad we have determined he is a wimp and not a murder.

So a woman that uses a gun to defend herself from a male attacker. would she be a wimp or a murder ?

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Who is the Hispanic person? Zimmerman self-identifies as Caucasian/white.

I understand it is important to you...

On his voting card he registered as a Democrat and self identifies as Hispanic.

Of course you are just playing with words here.. race and ethnicity are two different things.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Does it really come down to that? If you're not a total bad a$$, then you should let somebody beat you to death?

You could take several months of martial arts training before you follow some teenager into a dark alley.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I don't need a gun to defend myself. Zimmerman arguably did, making either him a total wimp, or a murderer.

Then most likely you would die or be severely injured if someone had the advantage and superior position on you during a fight and said person really laid a beating on you. Anyone without the means to defend themselves would stand the risk for serious injury. It happens everyday. Most people don't have a gun to shoot their attacker. In this case, one of the parties did have a gun.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

On his voting card he registered as a Democrat and self identifies as Hispanic.

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