The Quote That Should End the Trayvon Trial

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I suggest you look elsewhere.

I forgot that this impartial group at VJ had already reached a verdict and sentence before the trial began. Armchair justice.

[RGinWA 816]

And none of that has to do with what happened when they met. Maybe GZ was looking for TM when he was walking in the general direction of his car. It sill sounds like TM surprised him and got the upper hand. GZ was not walking around with his gun in his hand. He did get hit a few times. Enough to make him fear for great bodily harm, who knows. Enough to get a bloody nose and cuts on his head, yes. It doesn't sound like he walked into the confrontation bringing a gun to a fist fight. If he was the vicious vigilante that most are making him out to be, why didn't he have his gun in hand while he was searching for TM? I'll bet if he did, there would have been no altercation at all or TM would be dead and GZ wouldn't have so much as a scratch on him. Remember, you keep saying his intent was to shoot TM from the beginning. So far with the evidence presented thus far in this thread, I see no indication of that. Please continue to provide evidence. I am an impartial juror with no horse in this race. I am forming my opinion on what I am reading, watching and listening to. I want the same media the jury is being shown, not speculation.

He's not a vigilante. He's just a guy who got overly excited to catch another punk. But in this case be wound up chasing a guy that quite possibly was just as scared to run into him as GZ was.

I think it's a tragic chain of events, that could have been avoided. Even if GZ get's off, his life is drastically changed for the worse having the stigma on him.

The worse part of this case is Sanford not charging him right away and that way calming the feeling of the community that he got away with murder. That's not GZ's fault.

He's not a monster, just a guy in the wrong place at the wrong time with a kid that was probably looking at GZ following him a lot different than anyone here gives him credit for. Maybe TM was just fed up with the harassment? Who knows?

The truth is in the middle somewhere I believe.

[Dan and Judy 614]

He is because his statement to the police was that he headed back to the car once the dispatcher advised him not to follow Martin. He did not go back to his car at that point - had he gone back at that point , he would have arrived there by the time the call with the dispatcher ended. We all know that's not what happened. He also lied to police about when and why he left his car in the first place. He stated that he left his car to ascertain the address where he was parked while the demonstrable fact of the matter is that he left his car to chase the teen.

Your actually wrong about what he said. In both the interview that 's linked on this thread and the re-enactment he indicates that he proceeded across the top of the T to get an address after the operators suggestion that he not follow martin

He didn't say he turned around to go back to the car at the time the operator suggested that he not follow Trayvon. Im left with the impression that it was shortly after hanging up with operator that he turned around.

someone could ask if you went up there to get the address why not pass an address on to the operator, He did not

they were talking about meeting at the truck but zimmerman said just have them call me instead

[spookyturtle 9,465]

He's not a vigilante. He's just a guy who got overly excited to catch another punk. But in this case be wound up chasing a guy that quite possibly was just as scared to run into him as GZ was.

I think it's a tragic chain of events, that could have been avoided. Even if GZ get's off, his life is drastically changed for the worse having the stigma on him.

The worse part of this case is Sanford not charging him right away and that way calming the feeling of the community that he got away with murder. That's not GZ's fault.

He's not a monster, just a guy in the wrong place at the wrong time with a kid that was probably looking at GZ following him a lot different than anyone here gives him credit for. Maybe TM was just fed up with the harassment? Who knows?

The truth is in the middle somewhere I believe.

Your actually wrong about what he said. In both the interview that 's linked on this thread and the re-enactment he indicates that he proceeded across the top of the T to get an address after the operators suggestion that he not follow martin

He didn't say he turned around to go back to the car at the time the operator suggested that he not follow Trayvon. Im left with the impression that it was shortly after hanging up with operator that he turned around.

someone could ask if you went up there to get the address why not pass an address on to the operator, He did not

they were talking about meeting at the truck but zimmerman said just have them call me instead

Even if GZ was following TM, that was not in violation of any law. Could it help spark a confrontation? Sure. The fight lasted more than a few seconds however it took place. George was bloodied, obviously he had been hit at least a few good shots. Was TM trying to kill him? Who knows. Did Zimmerman enter the fight with the intent to kill? I highly doubt it. What's so hard to believe that TM got the drop on him and nailed him first? Shocking the sh!t out of George. Why is it so hard to believe that TM threw the first punch? And that he connected? The neighbors heard the scuffle for at least several seconds. If I'm hells bent on shooting TM, why would I wait until he kicked my a$$? Or did he only draw his gun because he was getting the sh!t beat out of him? I'm not condoning what either did, but why is what I have stated here so far fetched for so many here? I think you two have been quite open minded in your discussions of the case and I think that makes for a more intelligent discussion than all the idiotic name calling going on by both sides.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Very easy to drop someone if you get lucky

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

And none of that has to do with what happened when they met. Maybe GZ was looking for TM when he was walking in the general direction of his car. It sill sounds like TM surprised him and got the upper hand. GZ was not walking around with his gun in his hand. He did get hit a few times. Enough to make him fear for great bodily harm, who knows. Enough to get a bloody nose and cuts on his head, yes. It doesn't sound like he walked into the confrontation bringing a gun to a fist fight. If he was the vicious vigilante that most are making him out to be, why didn't he have his gun in hand while he was searching for TM? I'll bet if he did, there would have been no altercation at all or TM would be dead and GZ wouldn't have so much as a scratch on him. Remember, you keep saying his intent was to shoot TM from the beginning. So far with the evidence presented thus far in this thread, I see no indication of that. Please continue to provide evidence. I am an impartial juror with no horse in this race. I am forming my opinion on what I am reading, watching and listening to. I want the same media the jury is being shown, not speculation.

How many vigilantes call the police ?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

How many vigilantes call the police ?

Zimmerman did.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Even if GZ was following TM, that was not in violation of any law. Could it help spark a confrontation? Sure. The fight lasted more than a few seconds however it took place. George was bloodied, obviously he had been hit at least a few good shots. Was TM trying to kill him? Who knows. Did Zimmerman enter the fight with the intent to kill? I highly doubt it. What's so hard to believe that TM got the drop on him and nailed him first? Shocking the sh!t out of George. Why is it so hard to believe that TM threw the first punch? And that he connected? The neighbors heard the scuffle for at least several seconds. If I'm hells bent on shooting TM, why would I wait until he kicked my a$$? Or did he only draw his gun because he was getting the sh!t beat out of him? I'm not condoning what either did, but why is what I have stated here so far fetched for so many here? I think you two have been quite open minded in your discussions of the case and I think that makes for a more intelligent discussion than all the idiotic name calling going on by both sides.

You are giving to much common sense about this topic for the hang George crowd. .I think it will come down to this . The star witness stated travon said he was by his fathers home. Being a woman on the jury the next course of action would be to have travon enter this home ,shut the door and call 911. There is a lot of yards from this home to where the death happened. This in the jurors minds is that it was travon who was responsible for this event to happen. . Enter a home and close the door. Be alive today, This single fact will weigh a great deal on their verdict. A females mind will work this way.. Travon went back to raise the level of argument and violence .He became the stalker by doing so,

Perhaps the state has discredited their star witness in the observation,If so point me in the right direction as to travon NOT being by his fathers home after the witness said he told her this fact.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And none of that has to do with what happened when they met.

There's only one person that knows what happened. He made sure of that. And that person is demonstrably not telling the truth.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

There's only one person that knows what happened. He made sure of that. And that person is demonstrably not telling the truth.

So show me the evidence.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

There's only one person that knows what happened. He made sure of that. And that person is demonstrably not telling the truth.

GZ is so lying right.

That is why the state's prosecution team in the biggest trial of it's life, has been embarrassed and done nothing but prove everything the defense has said is correct. In fact even the most anti-GZ legal analyst have conceded that the overwhelming amount of testimony has favored GZ .

what is even more bizarre is the defense has not even presented it's evidence

Your watching the proverbial doctors put the . shock paddles on the prosecution for the 4th time as everyone else in the room is going, call time of death for the racist manufactured case against GZ.

About to testify next week. The police officers who declined to charge him, but were forced to by the Obama's feds. The same justice dept that leaned on the very popular chief to be removed.

This racist charade against GZ, that has turned into a blood bath for the prosecution is about to get much much uglier for the prosecution.

I bet the lead prosecutor had to get something to help him sleep tonight.

Instead of making ridiculous claims you would be better suited to go find some more of those graphics you posted from some blog, that have zero to do with the charges or the evidence. They might console you as all the racist hyperbole you have spouted for the last year goes up in smoke.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I'm neutral. Show me the evidence. Show me his lies and changing story. All I know about this case is what I have read here in the past few weeks and I saw the first evidence about 24 hours ago. I'm an impartial juror. Present your case. RG is doing a fine job along with Dan. Show me links to the actual evidence the jury is seeing. I don't want to read blogs from either side. I want to see what is being shown in court. That is what the decision will be based upon. I don't care if he's guilty or innocent, it makes no difference to me. Now show me he is guilty instead of making moronic statements. I'm honestly very open minded about this. Convince me.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm neutral. Show me the evidence. Show me his lies and changing story. All I know about this case is what I have read here in the past few weeks and I saw the first evidence about 24 hours ago. I'm an impartial juror. Present your case. RG is doing a fine job along with Dan. Show me links to the actual evidence the jury is seeing. I don't want to read blogs from either side. I want to see what is being shown in court. That is what the decision will be based upon. I don't care if he's guilty or innocent, it makes no difference to me. Now show me he is guilty instead of making moronic statements. I'm honestly very open minded about this. Convince me.

exactly. I started the trial with an open mind. I was actually saying he gets convicted after day two. Days 3-5 the prosecution had bigger holes and was taking on water faster than the titanic.

I have watched the majority of it and so far the overwhelming evidence points toward self defense.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

And none of that has to do with what happened when they met. Maybe GZ was looking for TM when he was walking in the general direction of his car. It sill sounds like TM surprised him and got the upper hand. GZ was not walking around with his gun in his hand. He did get hit a few times. Enough to make him fear for great bodily harm, who knows. Enough to get a bloody nose and cuts on his head, yes. It doesn't sound like he walked into the confrontation bringing a gun to a fist fight. If he was the vicious vigilante that most are making him out to be, why didn't he have his gun in hand while he was searching for TM? I'll bet if he did, there would have been no altercation at all or TM would be dead and GZ wouldn't have so much as a scratch on him. Remember, you keep saying his intent was to shoot TM from the beginning. So far with the evidence presented thus far in this thread, I see no indication of that. Please continue to provide evidence. I am an impartial juror with no horse in this race. I am forming my opinion on what I am reading, watching and listening to. I want the same media the jury is being shown, not speculation.

Blue: Because Zimmerman was well versed in procedural law, knew a few of the Sanford police officers and had long wanted to become one himself. If he was going to use his gun that night (to finally get one of the fvcking punks that always get away), he would have to play his cards right, provoke the suspect enough by following him and hope that the fvcking punk might be stupid enough to come after him, then he could shoot him in self-defense. GZ wanted a confrontation that night and he went looking for it.

Red: Listen to the police investigators interviewing Zimmerman. They did not believe for one minute that Zimmerman wasn't out looking for TM. Why? Assuming that detectives are pretty good at smelling bullsh!t - what was GZ really doing? Listen carefully to their questioning - they go back to him saying, 'these as$holes always get away' and 'oh, sh!t!' when TM started to run away.

I don't see how anyone who is impartial to this case would not take pause by that.

Also, I think it's important to point out here - just as the detectives did to Zimmerman, TM had every right to defend himself from what he perceived as a threat on his life. So, suppose both parties felt their lives were in danger that night and acted accordingly, who then is at fault? Those who believe GZ is innocent would say TM, because he allegedly threw the first punch. But wait, a punch (even a sucker punch) does not justify using lethal force in retaliation, so basically we're talking about instigating circumstances and since it is really about who instigated first, clearly Zimmerman getting out of his vehicle and following TM after he saw TM start to run away implicates him as the primary instigator.

He's not going to get away with this murder. He may have thought in his mind that he was bagging a bad guy, but that doesn't absolve his carelessness for another person's life, as well as the safety of his or anyone else in the neighborhood.

Edited July 1, 2013 by Lincolns mullet

[Karee 4,190]

I see a big difference between a sucker punch and someone being on top of you pounding your head MMA style. If this case didn't have the national attention that it does, it would never even go to the jury. The judge would dismiss it before the defense even called their first witness.

I know it's hard for some people to see a difference between following and taking an a$$ whooping MMA style Not me.