The Quote That Should End the Trayvon Trial

[Karee 4,190]

Things that should be taken into account.

1. GZ had been arrested twice before. Once for assault on a police officer and once for Domestic Violence.

A. The experience would have taught him a few things about the legal system that only criminals learn. Have one story etc...

B. He took diversion classes to defer his sentence which exposed him to other accused individuals and their stories.

C. In both cases he would have given statements to the police, which could only help him in this instance to be prepared.

D. Now GZ is seasoned at this kind of interaction and he is versed in the legal aspect from his law enforcement studies. He's not a novice at dealing with the police by any stretch.

E. He never looks rattled or remorseful in any interview. He's calculated and detached from the death, which rings like he doesn't really give TM that much thought. It's just a righteous kill to him, like another day at the office.

Maybe none of this will be presented at trial in this way since so far the prosecution is missing these nuances. But as I've said maybe its all in the summation.

No, GZ's past wont be presented at the trial at all unless GZ testifies. Even if he does, I'm not sure how much of that would be allowed. They will allow his previous 911 calls.

Your time would be better spent learning how the legal system works, rather than giving opinions on how you think it works.

[lostinblue 1,989]

No, GZ's past wont be presented at the trial at all unless GZ testifies. Even if he does, I'm not sure how much of that would be allowed. They will allow his previous 911 calls.

Your time would be better spent learning how the legal system works, rather than giving opinions on how you think it works.

[Dan and Judy 614]

So say it would take a minute or even a minute and a half. By that timeline he should have been at his car by the time the call with the dispatcher ended. He wasn't. Thus, he is lying when he claims that he was headed back to the car after he confirmed having understood that he should not follow Martin. If it is clear that he's lying about that, one must ask what else is he lying about?

He's not necessarily lying about heading back to his car. Possibly just when and where he started heading back to his car. He's lying about his path but not necessarily about the fight. His injuries and Trayvons lack of injuries prior to the shot would lend credence to the idea that Trayvon got in the first shot.(hit)

[lostinblue 1,989]

If he was so seasoned he would have never opened his mouth without a lawyer.It was a long time before he had legal representation.

[Dan and Judy 614]

If he was so seasoned he would have never opened his mouth without a lawyer.It was a long time before he had legal representation.

yeah, anybody that watches "48 hours" knows enough to lawyer up

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Things that should be taken into account.

1. GZ had been arrested twice before. Once for assault on a police officer and once for Domestic Violence.

A. The experience would have taught him a few things about the legal system that only criminals learn. Have one story etc...

B. He took diversion classes to defer his sentence which exposed him to other accused individuals and their stories.

C. In both cases he would have given statements to the police, which could only help him in this instance to be prepared.

D. Now GZ is seasoned at this kind of interaction and he is versed in the legal aspect from his law enforcement studies. He's not a novice at dealing with the police by any stretch.

E. He never looks rattled or remorseful in any interview. He's calculated and detached from the death, which rings like he doesn't really give TM that much thought. It's just a righteous kill to him, like another day at the office.

Maybe none of this will be presented at trial in this way since so far the prosecution is missing these nuances. But as I've said maybe its all in the summation.

I say GZ knew not to say anything that would make him look like he followed TM or started the altercation. Do you think he'd say "I tried to grab TM and he punched me" there's no way, he even stated emphatically "I went in his direction, but I wasn't following him". That's not even plausible. It's like looking for someone, but not wanting to find them.

He's no choir boy, he's seasoned in what to do legally and has been arrested at least twice before. Remember, "These fvcking punks, they always get away with it". That's what's in his mind and comes out not to the 911 person, but just a Freudian slip in the moment over the phone.

GZ says "he looks like he's on drugs"? How does someone appear when they think someone is stalking them? I'd say they'd look a little sketchy, but not because they are high, but because maybe they fear the worst? Because TM was not on drugs correct?

There is doubt to self defense and you could even argue in TM's mind he was only defending himself. So with that being equal its like an accidental bar fight, mutual combat and a manslaughter charge. Forget the circus, it's not that complicated. Remember, TM is still legally a minor and that will be taken into account.

I go as far as GZ had been arrested for domestic violence which is not true and more hang Zimmerman hysteria. His and ex and him both filed protective orders accusing the other of violence. supposedly she was super jealous and assaulted him with a bat. There was never any evidence of anything.

Women accuse men of ####### they did not do everyday out vengeance . happens all the time. This is a total non-issue and your accusations are completly false.

Come on dude. We both have been done the jilted crazy ex road haven't we. ?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

He's not necessarily lying about heading back to his car. Possibly just when and where he started heading back to his car. He's lying about his path but not necessarily about the fight. His injuries and Trayvons lack of injuries prior to the shot would lend credence to the idea that Trayvon got in the first shot.(hit)

I agree, but why do you think he is lying about his path? I'm not familiar with that discrepancy.

[Karee 4,190]

Women accuse men of ####### they did not do everyday out vengeance . happens all the time. This is a total non-issue and your accusations are completly false.

Come on dude. We both have been done the jilted crazy ex road haven't we. ?

See here:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/forum/127-effects-of-major-family-changes-on-immigration-benefits/

[Dan and Judy 614]

I agree, but why do you think he is lying about his path? I'm not familiar with that discrepancy.

in his video account, he walks back to the intersection of the T. and says this is where he was attacked. Then realizes he is not close to where the body ended up.

then he starts moving in that direction and waving his arms and says I think I was trying to get him off me.

when two people are scuffling the superior fighter would normaly push the other guy backwards

Zimmerman would have been moving in the opposite direction he claims.

that flashlight was in his hand and would have made a convenient weapon and also would have made up for Trayvons reach advantage.

I think the first punch was thrown just about where the body was found and Zimmerman dropped the flashlight when Trayvon dropped him.

If the first punch was thrown near the body then Zimmerman is lying because he says he met Trayvon at the top of the T. about 30 feet away.

there are some utility covers near where the body was found, I can't tell what they are made of. If cement that could be what Zimmerman thought was

a sidewalk. they are closer to the body than the sidewalk.

[RGinWA 816]

I go as far as GZ had been arrested for domestic violence which is not true and more hang Zimmerman hysteria. His and ex and him both filed protective orders accusing the other of violence. supposedly she was super jealous and assaulted him with a bat. There was never any evidence of anything.

Women accuse men of ####### they did not do everyday out vengeance . happens all the time. This is a total non-issue and your accusations are completly false.

Come on dude. We both have been done the jilted crazy ex road haven't we. ?

I'm not saying he's guilty of a dv, I'm only saying he has some legal experience based on the situation.

No, GZ's past wont be presented at the trial at all unless GZ testifies. Even if he does, I'm not sure how much of that would be allowed. They will allow his previous 911 calls.

Your time would be better spent learning how the legal system works, rather than giving opinions on how you think it works.

Actually my time was better spent watching World War Z with my son...lol

Great movie by the way.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He's not necessarily lying about heading back to his car. Possibly just when and where he started heading back to his car. He's lying about his path but not necessarily about the fight. His injuries and Trayvons lack of injuries prior to the shot would lend credence to the idea that Trayvon got in the first shot.(hit)

He is because his statement to the police was that he headed back to the car once the dispatcher advised him not to follow Martin. He did not go back to his car at that point - had he gone back at that point , he would have arrived there by the time the call with the dispatcher ended. We all know that's not what happened. He also lied to police about when and why he left his car in the first place. He stated that he left his car to ascertain the address where he was parked while the demonstrable fact of the matter is that he left his car to chase the teen.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm not saying he's guilty of a dv, I'm only saying he has some legal experience based on the situation.

You said GZ had been arrested for DV. The prosecutor said GZ had abused his ex.

Both untrue

[spookyturtle 9,465]

He is because his statement to the police was that he headed back to the car once the dispatcher advised him not to follow Martin. He did not go back to his car at that point - had he gone back at that point , he would have arrived there by the time the call with the dispatcher ended. We all know that's not what happened. He also lied to police about when and why he left his car in the first place. He stated that he left his car to ascertain the address where he was parked while the demonstrable fact of the matter is that he left his car to chase the teen.

And none of that has to do with what happened when they met. Maybe GZ was looking for TM when he was walking in the general direction of his car. It sill sounds like TM surprised him and got the upper hand. GZ was not walking around with his gun in his hand. He did get hit a few times. Enough to make him fear for great bodily harm, who knows. Enough to get a bloody nose and cuts on his head, yes. It doesn't sound like he walked into the confrontation bringing a gun to a fist fight. If he was the vicious vigilante that most are making him out to be, why didn't he have his gun in hand while he was searching for TM? I'll bet if he did, there would have been no altercation at all or TM would be dead and GZ wouldn't have so much as a scratch on him. Remember, you keep saying his intent was to shoot TM from the beginning. So far with the evidence presented thus far in this thread, I see no indication of that. Please continue to provide evidence. I am an impartial juror with no horse in this race. I am forming my opinion on what I am reading, watching and listening to. I want the same media the jury is being shown, not speculation.

[Karee 4,190]

. I want the same media the jury is being shown, not speculation.

I suggest you look elsewhere.

[RGinWA 816]

You said GZ had been arrested for DV. The prosecutor said GZ had abused his ex.

Both untrue

He was abusive. In his 911 call about his ex leaving him, he said "fvcking chicks, they always get away."

Come on, if the prosecutor says he did, he must have...they are the state, they don't lie do they? lol