Day 5- Zimmerman Trial

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Kids caught in the act of sitting on top of someone whaling on them with their fists and telling them they are going to f--ing kill them should be shot.

Kids caught stealing should go to jail. BUT kids who steal and are in jail for it are not really in a position to be caught in the act of sitting on top of someone whaling on them with their fists telling them they are going to f---ing kill them.

Who was caught doing this?

[himher 634]

If TM got up, why didn't he shoot him again? And again? When I shoot someone and they get up, I don't lay on top of them to hold them down. I shoot them until they stay down.

Kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the idea that he was a trigger-happy gunman but it looks like he was on the bottom just before the shot and on the top just after.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

What else I don't understand is why did GZ get on top of a person to restrain them when he's positive that he just shot them point blank in the chest?

GZ did say he wasn't sure he even hit Martin. Slim kid, oversized shirt, maybe. We do know one thing - Martin's clothing was several inches away from his skin and in close proximity to the gun. The defense suggests the unopened soft drink can in his pocket caused both sweatshirts to fall downward as Martin was leaning over Zimmerman, Another possible explanation was that Zimmerman had grabbed onto Martin's clothing to keep him from getting away when he pulled the trigger.

Edited June 29, 2013 by The Patriot

[himher 634]

Who was caught doing this?

I believe Mr "ground and pound" testified that the "victim" was doing the punching and GZ in an interview last year before he was indicted said that the kid told him he was going to die tonite and that he was going to f---ing kill him while he was sitting on him.

[RGinWA 816]

Kids caught in the act of sitting on top of someone whaling on them with their fists and telling them they are going to f--ing kill them should be shot.

Kids caught stealing should go to jail. BUT kids who steal and are in jail for it are not really in a position to be caught in the act of sitting on top of someone whaling on them with their fists telling them they are going to f---ing kill them.

Because George said it happened right? Please...

[himher 634]

That wouldn't match the story George gave to the cops.

No, it doesn't. The switch in positions does not compute.

[himher 634]

Because George said it happened right? Please...

Because GZ's neighbor said the sitting and swinging happened and what he said matches what GZ said so I assume that a narrative on what happened given before the indictment that matches a narrative of an independent witness would not really have an underlying motive.

Maybe you need the tinfoil

Edited June 29, 2013 by himher

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the idea that he was a trigger-happy gunman but it looks like he was on the bottom just before the shot and on the top just after.

I don't think that GZ planned to shoot TM from the moment he saw him. I don't think that he intended to shoot him while he was on the phone with the police. At some point, the scene escalated due to action or words or both from either on party or both parties. There was a confrontation and GZ laid the groundwork for it by following TM. Was this illegal? Not where I live. Could it cause an altercation? Most definitely. Both parties had fault in this to some degree. I bet that both of them would do things differently this time around, especially TM. And George would probably stay in his car and wait for the cops this time around.

George did fire once. If TM still came at him, I think most anyone would shoot again if you were hells bent on killing someone. GZ is still alive, but his life will never be the same and I doubt he'll be on an immigration forum bragging about shooting a punk, thug darkie. I don't know exactly what happened, I wasn't there. I don't know who said what and who attacked who. I also know that if 10 people witness the same event, there will be 10 slightly different versions of it. And I doubt any human would tell the story the same way word for word every time they were asked. These things happen in a flash. I doubt anyone sat down and wrote an account of it while it was happening, witness and responders included. Police are trained, the guy watching out his kitchen window isn't. The girl on the phone with TM isn't.

Both did things that were inappropriate. Is there enough evidence to convince the jury that GZ was not in fear of his life? Is there enough to show that he was? Will all 6 jurors see it the same way? You can't get 6 people at VJ to agree. Perhaps the same will be true of the jury.

[Dan and Judy 614]

The point is, are we accepting EVERYTHING she says or just the cracker statement? Because either she's believable or she's not. You picked the most negative thing in your mind from her statements and only used that as evidence.

But ok, you don't see how that's cherry picking. This is the exact reason we invaded Iraq by using this same logic.

I actually believe she told some truth and some lies, in fact that could possibly be considered indisputable since she confessed to lying. My question is

Did she actually quote Trayvon as saying something like " a neighbor killing cracker"

I saw some of her testimony but I didn't see her say that.

It doesnt have to be an all or nothing proposition

I believe she lied and also Zimmerman.

[Karee 4,190]

I don't think that GZ planned to shoot TM from the moment he saw him. I don't think that he intended to shoot him while he was on the phone with the police. At some point, the scene escalated due to action or words or both from either on party or both parties. There was a confrontation and GZ laid the groundwork for it by following TM. Was this illegal? Not where I live. Could it cause an altercation? Most definitely. Both parties had fault in this to some degree. I bet that both of them would do things differently this time around, especially TM. And George would probably stay in his car and wait for the cops this time around.

George did fire once. If TM still came at him, I think most anyone would shoot again if you were hells bent on killing someone. GZ is still alive, but his life will never be the same and I doubt he'll be on an immigration forum bragging about shooting a punk, thug darkie. I don't know exactly what happened, I wasn't there. I don't know who said what and who attacked who. I also know that if 10 people witness the same event, there will be 10 slightly different versions of it. And I doubt any human would tell the story the same way word for word every time they were asked. These things happen in a flash. I doubt anyone sat down and wrote an account of it while it was happening, witness and responders included. Police are trained, the guy watching out his kitchen window isn't. The girl on the phone with TM isn't.

Both did things that were inappropriate. Is there enough evidence to convince the jury that GZ was not in fear of his life? Is there enough to show that he was? Will all 6 jurors see it the same way? You can't get 6 people at VJ to agree. Perhaps the same will be true of the jury.

The above post probably sums it all up better than any other.

Edited June 29, 2013 by Karee

[Dan and Judy 614]

I don't think that GZ planned to shoot TM from the moment he saw him. I don't think that he intended to shoot him while he was on the phone with the police. At some point, the scene escalated due to action or words or both from either on party or both parties. There was a confrontation and GZ laid the groundwork for it by following TM. Was this illegal? Not where I live. Could it cause an altercation? Most definitely. Both parties had fault in this to some degree. I bet that both of them would do things differently this time around, especially TM. And George would probably stay in his car and wait for the cops this time around.

George did fire once. If TM still came at him, I think most anyone would shoot again if you were hells bent on killing someone. GZ is still alive, but his life will never be the same and I doubt he'll be on an immigration forum bragging about shooting a punk, thug darkie. I don't know exactly what happened, I wasn't there. I don't know who said what and who attacked who. I also know that if 10 people witness the same event, there will be 10 slightly different versions of it. And I doubt any human would tell the story the same way word for word every time they were asked. These things happen in a flash. I doubt anyone sat down and wrote an account of it while it was happening, witness and responders included. Police are trained, the guy watching out his kitchen window isn't. The girl on the phone with TM isn't.

Both did things that were inappropriate. Is there enough evidence to convince the jury that GZ was not in fear of his life? Is there enough to show that he was? Will all 6 jurors see it the same way? You can't get 6 people at VJ to agree. Perhaps the same will be true of the jury.

I agree with everything said here.

[RGinWA 816]

Because GZ's neighbor said the sitting and swinging happened and what he said matches what GZ said so I assume that a narrative on what happened given before the indictment that matches a narrative of an independent witness would not really have an underlying motive.

Maybe you need the tinfoil

No, your whole statement by GZ "you gonna die tonight mfer"

That is what GZ states. You may return your tinfoil to your skull.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Because George said it happened right? Please...

Ask TM. Witnesses that corroborate what GZ is saying, at least in actions if not exact words. If I am on the jury I have at least reasonable doubt.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

No, your whole statement by GZ "you gonna die tonight mfer"

That is what GZ states. You may return your tinfoil to your skull.

Absent anyone to deny that statement, what will the jury hear? Combined with the evidence the Prosecution has provided what do you think the jury will think?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Obviously, the defense wanted six women for the jury, so that ####### size would not be an issue.