Day 5- Zimmerman Trial

[Darnell 8,479]

OK - is safe to assume she's a 'hesitant witness' right out of the gate, and during the course of her testimony, she's turned into a 'hostile witness' for the prosecution.

That much I can understand...

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Nice paragraph, now it's my turn:

When I say we, I talk about black people as a whole. Let me tell you the difference between blacks and whites. When you do something wrong, that burden is on you. If it's a person of color, it's on all of us. We don't get the benefit of the people telling us apart, if we screw up, the whole race is to blame. Don't believe me, take a trip to the Affirmative Action thread that's locked. Look at Peter Pan's response; a black doctor made a misdiagnosis, just one, now she doesn't trust any of them. Those threads are in here all day. But let's keep on topic.

I'm going to show you where racism is creeping in your mind right now. You've come here and repeatedly highlighted TM's criminal past:Martin had been suspended from school at the time of his death, his third disciplinary suspension of the year.^[44] One suspension was for tardiness. Another suspension was for graffiti, when Martin was observed by a security camera in a restricted area of the school marking up a door with "W.T.F." When he was later searched by a Miami-Dade School Police Department officer, looking for the graffiti marker, the officer found several pieces of women's jewelry in his backpack, which Martin said were not his, stating a friend had given them to him. A screwdriver was also found, which was described by the school police investigator as a burglary tool. The jewelry was impounded and given to the police, but no evidence ever surfaced to indicate that the jewelry was stolen. Martin's third suspension involved a marijuana pipe, and an empty bag containing marijuana residue. Martin was not charged with any crime related to these incidents and did not have a juvenile record.

Being late, and writing ####### on a door. Is this the criminal litmus test for black youths? Was he on his way to becoming Frank Lucas before he turns 18? Now let's look at GZ: In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, after shoving an officer while a friend of Zimmerman's was being questioned about underage drinking. The charges were reduced, then dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiance filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted.^[66][67] The incidents were raised by prosecutors at Zimmerman's initial bond hearing. The judge described the incidents as "run of the mill" and "somewhat mild" and rejected the prosecution's claim that the incidents showed that Zimmerman was violent or a threat to the community.

So assaulting a police officer and domestic violence is run of the mill? What's even funnier is that you argue that TM was the aggressor, but who was walking home minding his own business? I'll give you a hint; it wasn't GZ. It's unusual that GZ couldn't be bothered to confront TM properly by identifying himself from the onset and trying to ascertain who TM was. No, it made sense to call the cops first, follow him for 4 minutes, and then get out of his car and follow on foot. But this is the issue with being black, your actions, even if you don't do anything, can get you killed. Tm committed no crime, but is being drug through the mud as we speak.

You highlight that TM said cracker on the phone, but forget that GZ might have said c**** as well, if you're going to argue it, do both sides. At least I've said on here that it could have been self defense on both sides.

I know that where you live there is a high number of crime committed by black youths. So it's easier to paint TM as the bad guy and GZ as the innocent man who was savagely attacked by the violent thug that is TM. I also know you grew up in a time where you saw how things were. And I know you're better than that.

I don't condone riots, if GZ is found innocent, then that's the way the cookie crumbles. Even if I don't agree with the verdict, the sun will rise and fall just as it always have.

A little more information reveals that it was 12 pieces of jewelry including a wedding band and mans watch. This report was written separate so as to not flag a outside school police event. The jewelry was turned into Miami Dade and quietly put in an evidence locker because it was reported as"found on Campus". it has been linked to a burglary near TM schools and the owners are being sought.

So you think you find a kid with a backpack full of jewelry and pry tools at school, and nobody can explain where it came from... No biggie right. Says nothing about TM character right ?

here is the links and the official memos documenting the order to reduce the stats on young black males by the school police.

Pretty damning stuff. Looks like we find out more and more about Saint Skittles every day

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious-case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

[lostinblue 1,989]

[RGinWA 816]

A little more information reveals that it was 12 pieces of jewelry including a wedding band and mans watch. This report was written separate so as to not flag a outside school police event. The jewelry was turned into Miami Dade and quietly put in an evidence locker because it was reported as"found on Campus". it has been linked to a burglary near TM schools and the owners are being sought.

So you think you find a kid with a backpack full of jewelry and pry tools at school, and nobody can explain where it came from... No biggie right. Says nothing about TM character right ?

here is the links and the official memos documenting the order to reduce the stats on young black males by the school police.

Pretty damning stuff. Looks like we find out more and more about Saint Skittles every day

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious-case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

So if this is all true, which I doubt, you are saying that all kids caught stealing should be shot? So anyone caught doing anything wrong in their juvenile past should be fair game if ever murdered?

And I never called him a saint, and if you look at GZ's past, he's no freaking saint either.

How about we just focus on this incident, and not try and cloud the issue with accusations that have yet to be proved outside of a conservative tree house.

Maybe TM was in Benghazi also or worked for the IRS? I know conservatives usually have vivid imaginations for conspiracies, yet few hold water.

Be prepared for the manslaughter charge, it's coming.

[RGinWA 816]

It is damming that GZ was a trained MMA fighter...its sad news for the defense. And his MMA trainers.

Thanks for the visual...

[spookyturtle 9,466]

So if this is all true, which I doubt, you are saying that all kids caught stealing should be shot? So anyone caught doing anything wrong in their juvenile past should be fair game if ever murdered?

And I never called him a saint, and if you look at GZ's past, he's no freaking saint either.

How about we just focus on this incident, and not try and cloud the issue with accusations that have yet to be proved outside of a conservative tree house.

Maybe TM was in Benghazi also or worked for the IRS? I know conservatives usually have vivid imaginations for conspiracies, yet few hold water.

Be prepared for the manslaughter charge, it's coming.

But Zimmerman's past doesn't count. He was in fear of his life.

[RGinWA 816]

But Zimmerman's past doesn't count. He was in fear of his life.

And if it was GZ yelling for help on the audio, how was TM suffocating him right before he was shot?

In my opinion, it's worse if it's GZ yelling for help, it proves he had at least a hand free and wasn't having his head pounded by cement or mouth covered, because even GZ states they had moved over to the grass by then.

He may have been in fear for his life because he was weak and scared, but not in the sense he was really gonna die. I wrestle with my son and I'll tell you, he thinks everything that hurts is a major injury. For GZ there is a name for it and it starts with P and ends with Y.

Nothing GZ is or was counts it appears...not even facts.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

And if it was GZ yelling for help on the audio, how was TM suffocating him right before he was shot?

In my opinion, it's worse if it's GZ yelling for help, it proves he had at least a hand free and wasn't having his head pounded by cement or mouth covered, because even GZ states they had moved over to the grass by then.

He may have been in fear for his life because he was weak and scared, but not in the sense he was really gonna die. I wrestle with my son and I'll tell you, he thinks everything that hurts is a major injury. For GZ there is a name for it and it starts with P and ends with Y.

Nothing GZ is or was counts it appears...not even facts.

Funny how Johnathan Good says the fight started on the grass, and ended up on the sidewalk. We are still trying to figure out how Martin ended up face down, several feet away from the sidewalk.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Funny how Johnathan Good says the fight started on the grass, and ended up on the sidewalk. We are still trying to figure out how Martin ended up face down, several feet away from the sidewalk.

It doesn't matter. George was just defending himself. Details are only important if they put Trayvon in a negative light.

[himher 634]

I'm starting to hear the same tone of hysteria that surfaced after that background check bill tanked.

GZ is gonna walk. Not one shred of evidence has been submitted that does not match his story and at least one (but probably more than half) of the jurers are going to conclude that it is reasonable to suspect that someone wandering on foot through a gated neighborhood in a black hoodie during a rainstorm might not belong there and it is reasonable to want to know what that person is doing.

Funny how Johnathan Good says the fight started on the grass, and ended up on the sidewalk. We are still trying to figure out how Martin ended up face down, several feet away from the sidewalk.

Guess: He got up after he got shot and then GZ tackled him and held him down until he quit moving

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I'm starting to hear the same tone of hysteria that surfaced after that background check bill tanked.

GZ is gonna walk. Not one shred of evidence has been submitted that does not match his story and at least one (but probably more than half) of the jurers are going to conclude that it is reasonable to suspect that someone wandering on foot through a gated neighborhood in a black hoodie during a rainstorm might not belong there and it is reasonable to want to know what that person is doing.

And it would be reasonable to call the police if you saw a suspicious person. But it would be a bit over the top to confront said person while you were waiting for the police. If I saw someone suspicious in my neighborhood, I'd call the cops. If said suspicious person was on my property, different story.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Guess: He got up after he got shot and then GZ tackled him and held him down until he quit moving

That wouldn't match the story George gave to the cops.

[RGinWA 816]

Funny how Johnathan Good says the fight started on the grass, and ended up on the sidewalk. We are still trying to figure out how Martin ended up face down, several feet away from the sidewalk.

Wait until the summation.

GZ's chain of events only need to be found suspect, then it's manslaughter at worst.

What else I don't understand is why did GZ get on top of a person to restrain them when he's positive that he just shot them point blank in the chest?

With all those close to death blows to the head and his near death experience you'd think he'd spring up, stay away and keep the gun on him?

I guess he wanted to show his MMA trainers that he did end up winning the match, well after the fatal gunshot to the heart.

That wouldn't match the story George gave to the cops.

Nor any of the witnesses.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

If TM got up, why didn't he shoot him again? And again? When I shoot someone and they get up, I don't lay on top of them to hold them down. I shoot them until they stay down.

[himher 634]

So if this is all true, which I doubt, you are saying that all kids caught stealing should be shot? So anyone caught doing anything wrong in their juvenile past should be fair game if ever murdered?

And I never called him a saint, and if you look at GZ's past, he's no freaking saint either.

How about we just focus on this incident, and not try and cloud the issue with accusations that have yet to be proved outside of a conservative tree house.

Maybe TM was in Benghazi also or worked for the IRS? I know conservatives usually have vivid imaginations for conspiracies, yet few hold water.

Be prepared for the manslaughter charge, it's coming.

Kids caught in the act of sitting on top of someone whaling on them with their fists and telling them they are going to f--ing kill them should be shot.

Kids caught stealing should go to jail. BUT kids who steal and are in jail for it are not really in a position to be caught in the act of sitting on top of someone whaling on them with their fists telling them they are going to f---ing kill them.