Day 5- Zimmerman Trial

[Karee 4,190]

No one on that jury is going to be anymore impressed by whatever character witness of the victim will be admissible by the court than the character witness of GZ, assuming impartiality to any evidence of both parties, and ultimately less miniscule to the relevance of what both parties said and did prior to the confrontation.

I think Gegel hijacked your account.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

A history of violent behavior with " there is some crazy #### cracker following me" witnesses testifying that Cracker is how they think of white people.

GZ is not a white man.

So Martin wasn't actually talking about Zimmermann or are you just busy arguing with yourself?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

So let me dive into this ??

By "WE" do you mean the members of VJ P and R ? I suspect by we you mean "black people" which you have spent many many words telling me do not act and think as one body of people and those of us who think they do are racist.. Also since you said we, I am taking that includes yourself ?

The evidence in the case clearly points to TM being the aggressor and that GZ version of the events being credible. ( I admit that can change). So you are suggesting that if the evidence and the justice system proves GZ is not guilty or there is enough doubt to not convict., it is going to take great restraint for you and black people in general to not riot and kill white people in retaliation because they sure sounds like what you implied.

So by your logic if he gets 20 years despite the mountain of evidence, that he acted in self defense, does it suggest that,as white people, we don't defend ourselves if violently attacked and that we completely don't acknowledge the overwhelming problem of violence being disproportional committed by young black males today. It's almost 90% in my community, but yet when I encounter dredlocked droopy pant wearing hoodie wearing young black male who can not speak without saying MOFO I am supposed to assume my threat risk is the same as a 60 year old woman or be labeled a racist ?

It is disappointing you would suggest that You and your race would have to show restraint to not commit violence .Should GZ be able to get a fair trial. ? Have you thought, Gee maybe its possible TM did come out of hiding and very violently attack him ? It was TM uttering Racial Slurs before the attack. It was TM who told GZ, I am going to kill you. Close your eyes and imagineif TM was white and GZ was black, and white Tm was a young redneck with a violent past and had said " there is some crazy #### Nword following me" and his white trash girlfriend had lied on the stand and changed her story 100 times. Can you say you would feel the same way.

Lastly when I suggested a few weeks back, that blacks may riot if the verdict did not go their way I was ridiculed and it was implied I was racist for thinking blacks might act this way.

Now you, and many other black TM apologist that I saw on TV are hinting the same thing. So do we convict a man because we are scared black people will riot ?

Despicable

Nice paragraph, now it's my turn:

When I say we, I talk about black people as a whole. Let me tell you the difference between blacks and whites. When you do something wrong, that burden is on you. If it's a person of color, it's on all of us. We don't get the benefit of the people telling us apart, if we screw up, the whole race is to blame. Don't believe me, take a trip to the Affirmative Action thread that's locked. Look at Peter Pan's response; a black doctor made a misdiagnosis, just one, now she doesn't trust any of them. Those threads are in here all day. But let's keep on topic.

I'm going to show you where racism is creeping in your mind right now. You've come here and repeatedly highlighted TM's criminal past:Martin had been suspended from school at the time of his death, his third disciplinary suspension of the year.^[44] One suspension was for tardiness. Another suspension was for graffiti, when Martin was observed by a security camera in a restricted area of the school marking up a door with "W.T.F." When he was later searched by a Miami-Dade School Police Department officer, looking for the graffiti marker, the officer found several pieces of women's jewelry in his backpack, which Martin said were not his, stating a friend had given them to him. A screwdriver was also found, which was described by the school police investigator as a burglary tool. The jewelry was impounded and given to the police, but no evidence ever surfaced to indicate that the jewelry was stolen. Martin's third suspension involved a marijuana pipe, and an empty bag containing marijuana residue. Martin was not charged with any crime related to these incidents and did not have a juvenile record.

Being late, and writing ####### on a door. Is this the criminal litmus test for black youths? Was he on his way to becoming Frank Lucas before he turns 18? Now let's look at GZ: In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, after shoving an officer while a friend of Zimmerman's was being questioned about underage drinking. The charges were reduced, then dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiance filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted.^[66][67] The incidents were raised by prosecutors at Zimmerman's initial bond hearing. The judge described the incidents as "run of the mill" and "somewhat mild" and rejected the prosecution's claim that the incidents showed that Zimmerman was violent or a threat to the community.

So assaulting a police officer and domestic violence is run of the mill? What's even funnier is that you argue that TM was the aggressor, but who was walking home minding his own business? I'll give you a hint; it wasn't GZ. It's unusual that GZ couldn't be bothered to confront TM properly by identifying himself from the onset and trying to ascertain who TM was. No, it made sense to call the cops first, follow him for 4 minutes, and then get out of his car and follow on foot. But this is the issue with being black, your actions, even if you don't do anything, can get you killed. Tm committed no crime, but is being drug through the mud as we speak.

You highlight that TM said cracker on the phone, but forget that GZ might have said c**** as well, if you're going to argue it, do both sides. At least I've said on here that it could have been self defense on both sides.

I know that where you live there is a high number of crime committed by black youths. So it's easier to paint TM as the bad guy and GZ as the innocent man who was savagely attacked by the violent thug that is TM. I also know you grew up in a time where you saw how things were. And I know you're better than that.

I don't condone riots, if GZ is found innocent, then that's the way the cookie crumbles. Even if I don't agree with the verdict, the sun will rise and fall just as it always have.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

There’s an MMA-flavored fitness regimen that involves bagwork and calisthenics.. Not getting ready for the ring,... Could be that gym was better in the terms of logistics. As in cost, distance from home. If George was out of shape he could be on the tread mill for a few hours before anything else starts.

Zimmerman doesn't look that out of shape, and sporting a skin head, it looks like he thought he was ready to take on all comers. Turning out to be a wimp during a confrontation you instigated is not grounds grounds for self-defense.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

GZ is not a white man.

Who told you that? On the medical forms, he identifies as being white.

Edited June 29, 2013 by The Patriot

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

So Martin wasn't actually talking about Zimmermann or are you just busy arguing with yourself?

He is confused when the facts are inconvenient.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He is confused when the facts are inconvenient.

So I noticed.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Nice paragraph, now it's my turn:

When I say we, I talk about black people as a whole. Let me tell you the difference between blacks and whites. When you do something wrong, that burden is on you. If it's a person of color, it's on all of us. We don't get the benefit of the people telling us apart, if we screw up, the whole race is to blame. Don't believe me, take a trip to the Affirmative Action thread that's locked. Look at Peter Pan's response; a black doctor made a misdiagnosis, just one, now she doesn't trust any of them. Those threads are in here all day. But let's keep on topic.

I'm going to show you where racism is creeping in your mind right now. You've come here and repeatedly highlighted TM's criminal past:Martin had been suspended from school at the time of his death, his third disciplinary suspension of the year.^[44] One suspension was for tardiness. Another suspension was for graffiti, when Martin was observed by a security camera in a restricted area of the school marking up a door with "W.T.F." When he was later searched by a Miami-Dade School Police Department officer, looking for the graffiti marker, the officer found several pieces of women's jewelry in his backpack, which Martin said were not his, stating a friend had given them to him. A screwdriver was also found, which was described by the school police investigator as a burglary tool. The jewelry was impounded and given to the police, but no evidence ever surfaced to indicate that the jewelry was stolen. Martin's third suspension involved a marijuana pipe, and an empty bag containing marijuana residue. Martin was not charged with any crime related to these incidents and did not have a juvenile record.

Being late, and writing ####### on a door. Is this the criminal litmus test for black youths? Was he on his way to becoming Frank Lucas before he turns 18? Now let's look at GZ: In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, after shoving an officer while a friend of Zimmerman's was being questioned about underage drinking. The charges were reduced, then dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiance filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted.^[66][67] The incidents were raised by prosecutors at Zimmerman's initial bond hearing. The judge described the incidents as "run of the mill" and "somewhat mild" and rejected the prosecution's claim that the incidents showed that Zimmerman was violent or a threat to the community.

So assaulting a police officer and domestic violence is run of the mill? What's even funnier is that you argue that TM was the aggressor, but who was walking home minding his own business? I'll give you a hint; it wasn't GZ. It's unusual that GZ couldn't be bothered to confront TM properly by identifying himself from the onset and trying to ascertain who TM was. No, it made sense to call the cops first, follow him for 4 minutes, and then get out of his car and follow on foot. But this is the issue with being black, your actions, even if you don't do anything, can get you killed. Tm committed no crime, but is being drug through the mud as we speak.

You highlight that TM said cracker on the phone, but forget that GZ might have said c**** as well, if you're going to argue it, do both sides. At least I've said on here that it could have been self defense on both sides.

I know that where you live there is a high number of crime committed by black youths. So it's easier to paint TM as the bad guy and GZ as the innocent man who was savagely attacked by the violent thug that is TM. I also know you grew up in a time where you saw how things were. And I know you're better than that.

I don't condone riots, if GZ is found innocent, then that's the way the cookie crumbles. Even if I don't agree with the verdict, the sun will rise and fall just as it always have.

I find it odd you responded to a statement in which you stereotyped all black by telling me why blacks are unfairly stereotyped. Why am I a racist for siding with what the majority of evidence has shown so far, but you are not for siding with TM,

Thank you for clarifying. So you do mean all blacks including yourself and hope you can restrain yourself,then you spend 3 paragraphs explaining why people of your color get stereotyped. everything is about race and it never stops.

Your repeated fallacy. TM did nothing wrong... Approaching someone and hitting them in the face, getting on top of them while on the ground, as they yell for help and continuing to beat them is a crime. Being on the same piece of public property is not. TM made a poor decision. he could have approached GZ, asked him what he wanted , expressed his displeasure and walked off. he could have gone inside. he could have called the police.

He could have done a host of things besides violently assaulting GZ.. You keep repeating TM committed no crime. That is false.

You really want the stereotyping of blacks to stop, then as a whole, stop making statements like "We" as if you can so easily speak for every black man in the nation. If I say you people think, then it is met with very stiff charges of racism,but you as a black man have no trouble doing the same thing.

I to hope the collective "we" can restrain yourself, and maybe a few sensible black leaders can say the truth. That is that TM initiated racially motivated attack against that crazy #### cracker and he got killed for it. Then maybe stereotypes can stop.

So Martin wasn't actually talking about Zimmermann or are you just busy arguing with yourself?

Does that make sense only to you. Martin allegedly said on the phone,some crazy #### cracker was following him. Dee Dee testified that is how they talk about white folk.

I am sorry the evidence is not supporting your version of " a crazy gun nut vigilante stalked and killed a poor saintly black kid and executed him gangland style for being black.

It's ok we are very use to you being wrong here.

Edited June 29, 2013 by The Nature Boy

[Darnell 8,478]

Nature Boy ! (pbuh) - KUDOS to you for switching out yer gear this morning - yer much more 'readable' at the moment.

[RGinWA 816]

GZ is white and is not entitled to a trial based on law and evidence. He is guilty because he is white and if the evidence does not show that, then just throw out the evidence and cook up something using speculation. Don't you get it Karee?

Did I miss something? Isn't he having a trial?

When he's convicted, just remember that fact and don't cry racism.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Nature Boy ! (pbuh) - KUDOS to you for switching out yer gear this morning - yer much more 'readable' at the moment.

i swaped to chrome and got speel cherck running..

Did I miss something? Isn't he having a trial?

When he's convicted, just remember that fact and don't cry racism.

he is having a trial and so far it is not looking good fro the state and 2nd degree murder. Blacks are already insinuating they are going to riot. Sad.

[RGinWA 816]

I to hope the collective "we" can restrain yourself, and maybe a few sensible black leaders can say the truth. That is that TM initiated racially motivated attack against that crazy #### cracker and he got killed for it. Then maybe stereotypes can stop.

Does that make sense only to you. Martin allegedly said on the phone,some crazy #### cracker was following him. Dee Dee testified that is how they talk about white folk.

I am sorry the evidence is not supporting your version of " a crazy gun nut vigilante stalked and killed a poor saintly black kid and executed him gangland style for being black.

It's ok we are very use to you being wrong here.

So you believe the "cracker" statement alone from Dee Dee's memory, but not the rest of her planned out, coached testimony? I wonder why if she was coached she would add such a controversial statement?

It's odd that only the supporting facts are being used by the GZ supporters and not ALL FACTS from her testimony.

Maybe if you were consistent with the opinion the argument would sound more believable.

Manslaughter, because the actions of the accused contributed to the death of a minor. Which holds a sentence up to 30 years.

i swaped to chrome and got speel cherck running..

he is having a trial and so far it is not looking good fro the state and 2nd degree murder. Blacks are already insinuating they are going to riot. Sad.

So every black is ready to riot? Did they all call you? Stop watching fox news. They can't even pick a president based on polling data.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So you believe the "cracker" statement alone from Dee Dee's memory, but not the rest of her planned out, coached testimony? I wonder why if she was coached she would add such a controversial statement?

It's odd that only the supporting facts are being used by the GZ supporters and not ALL FACTS from her testimony.

Maybe if you were consistent with the opinion the argument would sound more believable.

Manslaughter, because the actions of the accused contributed to the death of a minor. Which holds a sentence up to 30 years.

So every black is ready to riot? Did they all call you? Stop watching fox news. They can't even pick a president based on polling data.

I belive Dee Dee testfied that cracker is the term she and her friends used for white people, TM was her friend.

As for all Black people, Marvin is the spokes person for all black people, He is black and he said he hopes "we" can show restraint. I am not black so I am not qualified to speak for all Black people. Ask him ?

[RGinWA 816]

I belive Dee Dee testfied that cracker is the term she and her friends used for white people, TM was her friend.

As for all Black people, Marvin is the spokes person for all black people, He is black and he said he hopes "we" can show restraint. I am not black so I am not qualified to speak for all Black people. Ask him ?

So asking for restraint as a "black person" is different than a white person saying it?

Last time I checked asking for restraint means one thing, asking people to be restrained from some action?

1. The act of restraining or the condition of being restrained.

2. Loss or abridgment of freedom.

3. An influence that inhibits or restrains; a limitation.

4. An instrument or a means of restraining.

5. Control or repression of feelings; constraint.

But I guess that's black code for kill whitey and riot now? Got it...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Martin allegedly said on the phone,some crazy #### cracker was following him. Dee Dee testified that is how they talk about white folk.

Well, according to you folks, her testimony isn't credible so you really don't know what he said. Or what terms she and her friends use for white people, for that matter. Or is her testimony credible and you're now conceding that Zimmermann was actually chasing Martin? Or do you just cherry-pick the parts of her testimony that fit what you want to believe and disregard the rest?

Edited June 29, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog