New Evidence Shows Trayvon's Life Unraveling

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He attacked GZ and GZ defended himself...which he had the legal right to do. That is why the officers on the scene that night did not arrest him, because it was clear to them that the shooting was justified

Sorry to bust your bubble but the lead investigator wanted Zimmermann arrested and charged with manslaughter the night of the crime. He did not believe Zimmermann's account of what happened that night.

I don't have a bubble to burst.....he was not arrested that night.

Actually, you do have a bubble to burst as the above clearly shows. You were under the false impression that he wasn't arrested because it was clear to the officers on the scene that night that his shooting was justified. That is patently false. As I pointed out, the officer charged with leading the investigation wanted him charged and arrested because it was clear to him that Zimmermann's story did not add up. He believed that the shooting was NOT justified. It was the DAs office - not the officers on the scene - that declined to have him arrested. From the link I provided earlier.

Investigator Chris Serino of the Sanford, Fla. Police Department wanted the 28-year-old Zimmerman behind bars, but the state Attorney's Office said there was not enough evidence to lead to a conviction, sources told ABC.

But you are apparently immune to facts so carry on living in your imaginary world.

Prove to me that he attacked GZ. If GZ can prove it, he'll walk.

If Zimmermann could prove that, he would have been off the hook a long time ago. He can't prove it. Most likely because it is not what actually happened.

Edited June 23, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[spookyturtle 9,466]

So Mr. Big Dog and Gary were both there with TM and GZ and they can't even agree on the sequence of events. That's three living eye witnesses.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So Mr. Big Dog and Gary were both there with TM and GZ and they can't even agree on the sequence of events. That's three living eye witnesses.

I was there? Really? How do you figure?

[Karee 4,191]

So Mr. Big Dog and Gary were both there with TM and GZ and they can't even agree on the sequence of events. That's three living eye witnesses.

Yeah everyone's a lawyer. These GZ/TM threads are becoming laughable.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Actually, you do have a bubble to burst as the above clearly shows. You were under the false impression that he wasn't arrested because it was clear to the officers on the scene that night that his shooting was justified. That is patently false. As I pointed out, the officer charged with leading the investigation wanted him charged and arrested because it was clear to him that Zimmermann's story did not add up. He believed that the shooting was NOT justified. It was the DAs office - not the officers on the scene - that declined to have him arrested. From the link I provided earlier.

But you are apparently immune to facts so carry on living in your imaginary world.

If Zimmermann could prove that, he would have been off the hook a long time ago. He can't prove it. Most likely because it is not what actually happened.

Mr comprehension and facts you might want to re read the story. The officer never said it was clear to him Zimmerman story did not add up and it was the State Attorney not the DA who declined to charge him. P.S. The State Attorney is a lawyer.. That FACT may mean nothing to you as most facts don't . P.S. he cop wanted manslaughter not murder, which is absurd.

You are just like your buddies at MSNBC, you make shat up as you go and think they are facts.. Treatment time maybe .. Get help.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yeah everyone's a lawyer. These GZ/TM threads are becoming laughable.

You're a lawyer? I would never have guessed it.

[Karee 4,191]

You're a lawyer? I would never have guessed it.

And you rag on people for their English comprehension.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

And you rag on people for their English comprehension.

It's over compensation....for being wrong all the time with such die hard conviction . I give it to the guy. he is wrong with more fervor than any I have ever witnessed.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Out of curiosity, how many of you have been been been shown all the evidence the prosecution and defense will be presenting? Have you been privy to all testimony on both sides? Have you all personally discussed the case with all witnesses to be called? Have the prosecution and defense both shared their intended case presentation and strategy? How about the cop, have you all been given all of their evidence? Testimony? And I'm assuming you've all had lengthy time with the jurors and already know how they will vote even though the trial hasn't started yet.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Mr comprehension and facts you might want to re read the story. The officer never said it was clear to him Zimmerman story did not add up and it was the State Attorney not the DA who declined to charge him. P.S. The State Attorney is a lawyer.. That FACT may mean nothing to you as most facts don't . P.S. he cop wanted manslaughter not murder, which is absurd.

I don't need to re-read the story. You need to educate yourself a little. The fact of the matter is that the position of the state attorney is analogous to that of the DA, CA, PA or Solicitor. Yes, the state attorney is a lawyer. As is the DA, CA, PA or Solicitor. Now that FACT having been properly explained to you, what's left of your nonsensical reply? Oh yeah, the fact that the lead investigator wanted Zimmermann arrested on manslaughter charges rather than the murder two charges he now faces. You probably don't know this but it is the prosecutor - be that the State Attorney in FL, the District Attorney in MA, the Solicitor in SC or the Public Attorney in OH or whatever else the prosecutor may be called in other states - who decides whether and what charges to file. It's not what police officers do. So, two lessons for you free of charge.

Now go read up on how the justice system in your country works before engaging in debates about it and embarrassing yourself.

And you rag on people for their English comprehension.

You said - and I quote - "everyone's a lawyer". Everyone would include you. Hence my question.

Edited June 23, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[Karee 4,191]

Out of curiosity, how many of you have been been been shown all the evidence the prosecution and defense will be presenting? Have you been privy to all testimony on both sides? Have you all personally discussed the case with all witnesses to be called? Have the prosecution and defense both shared their intended case presentation and strategy? How about the cop, have you all been given all of their evidence? Testimony? And I'm assuming you've all had lengthy time with the jurors and already know how they will vote even though the trial hasn't started yet.

Exactly.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's over compensation....for being wrong all the time with such die hard conviction . I give it to the guy. he is wrong with more fervor than any I have ever witnessed.

You being ignorant of the facts does not mean that I am wrong. You're just not smart enough to know how chit actually works.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I don't need to re-read the story. You need to educate yourself a little. The fact of the matter is that the position of the state attorney is analogous to that of the DA, CA, PA or Solicitor. Yes, the state attorney is a lawyer. As is the DA, CA, PA or Solicitor. Now that FACT having been properly explained to you, what's left of your nonsensical reply? Oh yeah, the fact that the lead investigator wanted Zimmermann arrested on manslaughter charges rather than the murder two charges he now faces. You probably don't know this but it is the prosecutor - be that the State Attorney in FL, the District Attorney in MA, the Solicitor in SC or the Public Attorney in OH or whatever else the prosecutor may be called in other states - who decides whether and what charges to file. It's not what police officers do. So, two lessons for you free of charge.

Now go read up on how the justice system in your country works before engaging in debates about it and embarrassing yourself.

You said - and I quote - "everyone's a lawyer". Everyone would include you. Hence my question.

"The fact of the matter is that the position of the state attorney is analogous to that of the DA" and A Cessna 152 is analogous to a 747 because they are both planes but they damn sure aint the same

That was weak even by your standards.

Out of curiosity, how many of you have been been been shown all the evidence the prosecution and defense will be presenting? Have you been privy to all testimony on both sides? Have you all personally discussed the case with all witnesses to be called? Have the prosecution and defense both shared their intended case presentation and strategy? How about the cop, have you all been given all of their evidence? Testimony? And I'm assuming you've all had lengthy time with the jurors and already know how they will vote even though the trial hasn't started yet.

exactly that is why we have trials

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

"The fact of the matter is that the position of the state attorney is analogous to that of the DA" and A Cessna 152 is analogous to a 747 because they are both planes but they damn sure aint the same

That is one of the dumbest things you've posted in awhile. Congratulations!

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Out of curiosity, how many of you have been been been shown all the evidence the prosecution and defense will be presenting? Have you been privy to all testimony on both sides? Have you all personally discussed the case with all witnesses to be called? Have the prosecution and defense both shared their intended case presentation and strategy? How about the cop, have you all been given all of their evidence? Testimony? And I'm assuming you've all had lengthy time with the jurors and already know how they will vote even though the trial hasn't started yet.

You are on a roll my friend! I think I'm all out of +1s for today..

I have no idea if it was self defense or not.. I think I will skip following this trial and wait for the verdict and the summaries and save a few hours of my life listening to all the posturing BS.

Reading these threads I am amazed they were able to find any jurors that didn't already have their minds already made up.