Robin Hood Morality Test

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Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

I said Robin Hood is worse than the Sheriff because the Sheriff had less moral obligation to Marion than Robin Hood did. IMO Robin Hood is the lowest of the low...

That's where I'm confused because the Sheriff is the jackass who threw Robin Hood and Little John in prison in the first place. How do you know he didn't do it just to get into Marion's panties?

I suppose maybe I'm putting myself in the place of the only woman in the story. If *I* were Marion, Robin Hood (my love who tossed me aside after knowing what I did to save him) is more despicable in my eyes than The Sheriff, someone I knew was a bad cookie to begin with...

But what if Robin Hood, the love of your life, was already planning an escape that night had you put faith in him? Perhaps he's more disappointed that you lost faith in him than you thinking he lost faith in you?

Robin Hood called me a #######. I think that says everything about what he really thinks.

But you like it when he calls you that in bed?

Edited November 25, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky

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Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

If she had given away the secret hideout she woul dhave been on the bottom of the list- worse than the sheriff

[Jenn! 918]

Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

No, I think the fact that Robin Hood threw Marion away because she was esentially raped is very relevant.

But you like it when he calls you that in bed?

Where did that come from?

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But you like it when he calls you that in bed?

Jenn?????

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

No, I think the fact that Robin Hood threw Marion away because she was esentially raped is very relevant.

She was not raped. She agreed. She could have waited for Robin Hood's men to break him out, but she decided that letting the Sheriff have a go at her was the only choice. In other words - why was it imperative to have Robin Hood released right away?

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Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

No, I think the fact that Robin Hood threw Marion away because she was esentially raped is very relevant.

She was not raped. She agreed. She could have waited for Robin Hood's men to break him out, but she decided that letting the Sheriff have a go at her was the only choice. In other words - why was it imperative to have Robin Hood released right away?

It was not consenual sex. She sacrificed her body to save her love. Would it make her more moral if his head was on the chopping block? Did she make the mistake when she confessed what she did? Does her onesty make her less moral?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

No, I think the fact that Robin Hood threw Marion away because she was esentially raped is very relevant.

But you like it when he calls you that in bed?

Where did that come from?

I'm speaking about Marion. That's what I read engraved on a tree in the Sherwood forest.

[Jenn! 918]

Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

No, I think the fact that Robin Hood threw Marion away because she was esentially raped is very relevant.

She was not raped. She agreed. She could have waited for Robin Hood's men to break him out, but she decided that letting the Sheriff have a go at her was the only choice. In other words - why was it imperative to have Robin Hood released right away?

I think it was rape. Sort of like the woman that is forced to sleep with men to advance her career. Do you not fault the man at all in those circumstances? I do not absolve Marion from any responsibility for the situation, which is why I placed her lower than Little John in my ranking.

ETA: I would think that if you are faulting Marion so heavily, then how can you blame the Sheriff then? All he did was have some consentual sex...

Edited November 25, 2006 by jenn3539

[Karen_L 1]

Maid Marion, Little John, Robin Hood, The Sheriff

We would expect you to be a happy, well-balanced person who likes people and is liked by others. You question whether many conventional views on morality are valid under all circumstances.

Men: Do we detect a sense of chivalry and idealism under the sophistication?

Women: You will expect high standards from the men to whom you give your love.

This combination represents 13% of total, 13% of men and 12% of women

I consider what the sheriff did rape, Robin Hood was being seriously unreasonable, Little John horned in on a bad situation to take advantage of it for himself, but was still kind of sweet, and Maid Marion was honest throughout and never hid anything, clearly, imo, having sex with the sheriff only to achieve Robin Hood's freedom.

Edited November 25, 2006 by Karen_L

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Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

No, I think the fact that Robin Hood threw Marion away because she was esentially raped is very relevant.

She was not raped. She agreed. She could have waited for Robin Hood's men to break him out, but she decided that letting the Sheriff have a go at her was the only choice. In other words - why was it imperative to have Robin Hood released right away?

It was not consenual sex. She sacrificed her body to save her love. Would it make her more moral if his head was on the chopping block? Did she make the mistake when she confessed what she did? Does her onesty make her less moral?

It didn't say that Robin Hood's life was in immediate danger - just that he was in jail, so to me that opens up all kinds of possibilities - his men could have come and rescued him. She could have drugged the Sheriff instead of sleeping with him and stolen the keys. Whatever got the Sheriff to throw Robin Hood in jail didn't change. He simply granted him clemency based on a sexual favor. It seems like a temporary solution at best.

Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

No, I think the fact that Robin Hood threw Marion away because she was esentially raped is very relevant.

She was not raped. She agreed. She could have waited for Robin Hood's men to break him out, but she decided that letting the Sheriff have a go at her was the only choice. In other words - why was it imperative to have Robin Hood released right away?

I think it was rape. Sort of like the woman that is forced to sleep with men to advance her career. Do you not fault the man at all in those circumstances? I do not absolve Marion from any responsibility for the situation, which is why I placed her lower than Little John in my ranking.

ETA: I would think that if you are faulting Marion so heavily, then how can you blame the Sheriff then? All he did was have some consentual sex...

I find fault in her thinking that sleeping with the Sheriff was her only option. Just as you say, a woman whose boss suggests to her that sleeping with him is the only way for her to get a promotion. If she agrees to do that she has essentially tossed out any other options available to her.

Edited November 25, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky

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Ah Jenn, just thought of a slightly different scenario. Instead of the Sheriff asking Marion to sleep with him, he was asking her to give away the Merrymen's hideout. Would you still think less of Robin Hood because he tossed Marion aside for betraying his men?

That totally happened in an episode of Battlestar Galactica and they ultimately decided they had to kill the Maid Marion there... :back to my hole:

[Jenn! 918]

I find fault in her thinking that sleeping with the Sheriff was her only option. Just as you say, a woman whose boss suggests to her that sleeping with him is the only way for her to get a promotion. If she agrees to do that she has essentially tossed out any other options available to her.

I see your point. When I read the story, I ruled out other possibilities because of the following:

"The Sheriff of Nottingham captured Little John and Robin Hood and imprisoned them in his maximum-security dungeon. Maid Marion begged the Sheriff for their release, pleading her love for Robin. The Sheriff agreed to release them only if Maid Marion spent the night with him.

I didn't see any room for other options.

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I find fault in her thinking that sleeping with the Sheriff was her only option. Just as you say, a woman whose boss suggests to her that sleeping with him is the only way for her to get a promotion. If she agrees to do that she has essentially tossed out any other options available to her.

Yeah, but... she lives in the Sherwood Forest. I imagine there is a serious glass ceiling there. What else does a girl have to offer?

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I find fault in her thinking that sleeping with the Sheriff was her only option. Just as you say, a woman whose boss suggests to her that sleeping with him is the only way for her to get a promotion. If she agrees to do that she has essentially tossed out any other options available to her.

I see your point. When I read the story, I ruled out other possibilities because of the following:

"The Sheriff of Nottingham captured Little John and Robin Hood and imprisoned them in his maximum-security dungeon. Maid Marion begged the Sheriff for their release, pleading her love for Robin. The Sheriff agreed to release them only if Maid Marion spent the night with him.

I didn't see any room for other options.

Saw it the same way. In the opera Tosca- Tosca agrees to sleep with the prison keeper to free her love, but then murders him with the letter opener after he has signed the release forms, but before she has to sleep with him. It al turns out very bad for Tosca.

I still stand by the fact that marian acted morally more than any of the other three. I can see Steven's POV but sounds more like manly pride than moral behavior.

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I find fault in her thinking that sleeping with the Sheriff was her only option. Just as you say, a woman whose boss suggests to her that sleeping with him is the only way for her to get a promotion. If she agrees to do that she has essentially tossed out any other options available to her.

I see your point. When I read the story, I ruled out other possibilities because of the following:

"The Sheriff of Nottingham captured Little John and Robin Hood and imprisoned them in his maximum-security dungeon. Maid Marion begged the Sheriff for their release, pleading her love for Robin. The Sheriff agreed to release them only if Maid Marion spent the night with him.

I didn't see any room for other options.

Oh, there's a whole back story to it, Jenn. Just like the little tidbit about Maid Marion liking to be called ####### in the bedroom by Robin. They could have had some really passionate make up sex that night.