Obama's Civil-Liberties Record Questioned

[GandD 5,966]

We could throw them all out and it would be fine with me.

Clean slate. Then we could watch them all become corrupted together. Maybe it would be slower.

[decocker 7,198]

I answered a question posted in a public forum. How is that a "beef"? If you mean the question for only one person, then use a PM. Contributing on-topic opinion in a public forum is not "stirring the pot", it is a discussion.

you seem angry with with current president, more so than the program in question. you ponied up right quick with nature boy, harping on the partisan finger pointing. hence my question.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Clean slate. Then we could watch them all become corrupted together. Maybe it would be slower.

Maybe while we are at it we change some of the source problems

FAIR TAX...eliminate the IRS

Appointed Senators to eliminate the money influence in at least one legislative body

"At Large" elections for Representatives...eliminate districting

Eliminate the Electoral College

Punish employers that exploit illegal aliens for profit

[GandD 5,966]

Maybe while we are at it we change some of the source problems

FAIR TAX...eliminate the IRS

Appointed Senators to eliminate the money influence in at least one legislative body

"At Large" elections for Representatives...eliminate districting

Eliminate the Electoral College

Punish employers that exploit illegal aliens for profit

I wouldn't mind setting term limits for senators.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

you seem angry with with current president, more so than the program in question. you ponied up right quick with nature boy, harping on the partisan finger pointing. hence my question.

I "harped" on the partisan finger pointing to show it is foolish. Low intelligence types who often are Obama supporters, are "defending" the current President by saying "Bush started it" What nonsense. Who cares who started it? We brought in Obama to end it. He did not, and now says "Bush was right"

Unlike the former President, Obama can end this practice today, and he doesn't. Therefore Obama is infringing on our rights. I do not like that and I am not going to waste time discussing "who started it"

Why would I be angry at the past President? He can't do anything.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I don't believe you should live off a government you do not support.

[decocker 7,198]

I "harped" on the partisan finger pointing to show it is foolish. Low intelligence types who often are Obama supporters, are "defending" the current President by saying "Bush started it" What nonsense. Who cares who started it? We brought in Obama to end it. He did not, and now says "Bush was right"

Unlike the former President, Obama can end this practice today, and he doesn't. Therefore Obama is infringing on our rights. I do not like that and I am not going to waste time discussing "who started it"

Why would I be angry at the past President? He can't do anything.

i haven't seen any obama supporters here say bush started it, especially not as a defense.

so other than the time you've already wasted talking about who started it, what are you going to do about it?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I wouldn't mind setting term limits for senators.

We can limit their terms every 6 years and we return more of them each time than the Soviets did with their phony elections.

Term limits are just another infringement on our rights (which you seem to be OK with...just a little bit) I am not Ok ith that, even one little bit. We do not need MORE government to fix the problem, we need LESS government and more action by people.

Eliminate elections for Senators, have them appointed by State Legislatures like they were in the past. Repeal the amendment that made that ridiculous change.

[GandD 5,966]

i haven't seen any obama supporters here say bush started it, especially not as a defense.

so other than the time you've already wasted talking about who started it, what are you going to do about it?

It was in the initial post

[decocker 7,198]

It was in the initial post

here. as in, the people partaking in this 'discussion'

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

i haven't seen any obama supporters here say bush started it, especially not as a defense.

so other than the time you've already wasted talking about who started it, what are you going to do about it?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/434499-nsa-said-to-collect-millions-of-verizon-phone-records/

First response to my post. Please try to keep up.

[Darnell 8,478]

I don't believe you should live off a government you do not support.

That's a great belief! In time, others will share that belief, as well. Good for you !

[decocker 7,198]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/434499-nsa-said-to-collect-millions-of-verizon-phone-records/

First response to my post. Please try to keep up.

um. from the same post..

Obama should have vetoed it.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I don't believe you should live off a government you do not support.

I absolutely support our government.

I do not support restrictions of our rights. I absolutely agree we need government and we need rights. How are the two opposed? Only when government is allowed to get too big and lose its initial intent. People who cannot seem to grasp that being against the oppression of rights is not the same as "being against the government" should probably go read about Paris Jackson. Low information types should just watch...kind of like a reality show.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I "harped" on the partisan finger pointing to show it is foolish. Low intelligence types who often are Obama supporters, are "defending" the current President by saying "Bush started it" What nonsense. Who cares who started it? We brought in Obama to end it. He did not, and now says "Bush was right"

Unlike the former President, Obama can end this practice today, and he doesn't. Therefore Obama is infringing on our rights. I do not like that and I am not going to waste time discussing "who started it"

Why would I be angry at the past President? He can't do anything.

Interesting testimonial...

'The collection of telephone records, started by George Bush and continued by Obama, in addition to his attempts to strip Americans of their 2nd amendment rights and 1st amendment rights with oppressive tax policies against political enemies, has finally awoken the compliant media.'