Trial experts say its going to be hard to convict George Zimmerman

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Nope. The standard for the defense is more likely that not, that the defendant has no opportunity to withdraw, that a reasonable person would believe he could be killed or seriously injured, and that the force used was necessary to prevent serious injury or death. Reasonable doubt works against Zimmerman, not for him.

The standard is going to be that the Justice dept and the Liberal media is screaming for blood. We can not acquit.

[B_J 2,752]

How come some think TM has the right to beat GZ face into the ground because he thinks he may be following him and he has the right to self defense , but the same people don't think GZ has the right to defend himself when someone is on top of you beating your face into the concrete. That is messed up liberal logic it's highest form.

Trayvon is black and Zimmerman is white (sort of)

That should explain it.

[GandD 5,966]

Why? if you come back on a PC, you can study the threads in the P mit R forum for the last 12 months.

This topic is simply a rehash of everything already written by the same players.

On a lighter note - you CAN choose which topics you read and respond (in), no one controls that but you... so if'n you have reactions to 'GZ and TM all day everyday' - well, there are other topics sans the froth... You can always choose other topics to participate in, there's hundreds without the same bruises from folk getting butt-hurt.

Thanks.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That the same standard is put on the prosecution in this case because the only way to convict GZ of murder is to claim the same precedent of self defense for TM.

Not at all. If the confessed killer fails in his affirmative defense, he gets convicted of manslaughter at the least.

[RGinWA 816]

Let me summarize

GZ is a Moron, GZ is a Moron, GZ is a Moron, GZ got his ####### kicked, GZ had it coming.

Geez... Speaking of Morons

As a famous American patriot like yourself once said, "Stupid is as stupid does".

Only a moron chases down someone because they "suspect" they've done something and then when he catches the suspect he get's pounded. I mean that's pure genius.

If that sounds smart to you...well then so be it.

Maybe if he was a better street fighter and not just a blow hard relying on his gun for security we wouldn't have this thread?

[GandD 5,966]

As a famous American patriot like yourself once said, "Stupid is as stupid does".

Only a moron chases down someone because they "suspect" they've done something and then when he catches the suspect he get's pounded. I mean that's pure genius.

If that sounds smart to you...well then so be it.

Maybe if he was a better street fighter and not just a blow hard relying on his gun for security we wouldn't have this thread?

How smart is it to confront someone following you considering they might have a gun?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

How smart is it to confront someone following you considering they might have a gun?

Youth are not known for always doing the most intelligent thing. Kids usually have the excuse of being kids. Adults are expected to show better judgement, although they usually fail as well, with more severe consequences, as in the case under consideration here.

[decocker 7,198]

Possibly, but we don't have the benefit of knowing what was going through TM's mind at the time. Did he feel legitimately threatened, or did he feel he was going to teach GZ a lesson for following him?

maybe he felt legitimately threatened and then got pissed for being put in the position of feeling threatened, and then decided to take control of his fear and conquer the source..

it matters as much to me, whatever was running through tm's head and/or what was running through gz's head. a trigger was pulled and a kid is dead. complete waste of life.

[RGinWA 816]

How smart is it to confront someone following you considering they might have a gun?

So when some citizen follows you and tries to detain you for no reason (but their own fear and prejudice) we should give in immediately and fear they might have a gun? What country is this happening in? This can't be advice for everyone in the US, is it only minorities?

So you'd give in to anyone who followed you and wanted to detain you? That's very telling.

[GandD 5,966]

Youth are not known for always doing the most intelligent thing. Kids usually have the excuse of being kids. Adults are expected to show better judgement, although they usually fail as well, with more severe consequences, as in the case under consideration here.

I agree. But you don't get to say GZ is guilty based solely on the fact that he got out of his car. Well, at least I don't see it that way.

[decocker 7,198]

Yes it is. You can easily predict future actions in many cases by past actions. We already had nation wide protests because GZ was not arrested fast enough. How much more so if the evidence proves him innocent.

Do you honestly think if GZ is proven innocent, the race baiters will just shrug and go ok. Be serious.

considering that many racists believe that blacks, while more likely to be nfl linebackers, are also more likely to be criminal or deviant and then use the current incarceration rate to back their position, i suppose your line of reasoning is a mighty fine line to walk in a public forum. if you don't want to get called out..

and a protest is not the same thing as a riot, btw.

[GandD 5,966]

So you'd give in to anyone who followed you and wanted to detain you?

How would they detain me if i ran. TM should never have walked towards GZ. Not saying that means he deserves what happened, but this incident should show you specifically why I'm not walking towards strangers yelling at me. I'm out.

That's very telling.

Oh well, I guess I'm a ##### because I give more of a ####### about getting home to my family than teaching a stranger a lesson.

[SMOKE 1,426]

So when some citizen follows you and tries to detain you for no reason (but their own fear and prejudice) we should give in immediately and fear they might have a gun? What country is this happening in? This can't be advice for everyone in the US, is it only minorities?

So you'd give in to anyone who followed you and wanted to detain you? That's very telling.

where did you hear GZ tried to detain TM?

[B_J 2,752]

So when some citizen follows you and tries to detain you for no reason (but their own fear and prejudice) we should give in immediately and fear they might have a gun? What country is this happening in? This can't be advice for everyone in the US, is it only minorities?

So you'd give in to anyone who followed you and wanted to detain you? That's very telling.

Detain? Are you saying GZ tried to detain TM? How do you know this?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So when some citizen follows you and tries to detain you for no reason (but their own fear and prejudice) we should give in immediately and fear they might have a gun? What country is this happening in? This can't be advice for everyone in the US, is it only minorities?

So you'd give in to anyone who followed you and wanted to detain you? That's very telling.

So now he followed and tried to detain him... You should get a job editing 911 tapes for NBC or be a copy writer for MSNBC.

You know your just make stuff up now don't you