Trial experts say its going to be hard to convict George Zimmerman

[GandD 5,966]

I feel like we should start a separate thread and discuss what this is really all about. Maybe that will seem better in my mind than GZ and TM all day everyday.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

And GZ should have know that his "activity" came with some inherent risk of bodily injury...so by him claiming his life was now "in danger" he's created his own legal defense; before the act even takes place.

Because face it George, your own substandard brain put your life in danger...not some kid who didn't want you confronting where he should be able to walk in a free Country.

The fact is GZ created a dangerous situation for himself and he bears the responsibility for the outcome of his own actions. Without the confrontation he'd just be GZ the moron who thinks he's a crime fighter, instead of GZ the moron on trail.

They've made too much out of this case when it's fairly cut and dry. It's like the bullfighter suing the bull because of the scar on his @ss.

Don't want a possibly murder charge? Then don't bother people and then shoot them after you get your @ss kicked.

Let me summarize

GZ is a Moron, GZ is a Moron, GZ is a Moron, GZ got his ####### kicked, GZ had it coming.

Geez... Speaking of Morons

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[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I feel like we should start a separate thread and discuss what this is really all about. Maybe that will seem better in my mind than GZ and TM all day everyday.

You mean, is zombies a code word for black folk and other minorities?

[Teddy B 17,252]

The victim is not on trail, the perpetrator is.

Who is the victim?

[GandD 5,966]

Don't want a possibly murder charge? Then don't bother people and then shoot them after you get your @ss kicked.

Don't want to get brutalized by the police? Then don't run. Right?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Who is the victim?

The dead guy. You forgot already?

[GandD 5,966]

You mean, is zombies a code word for black folk and other minorities?

That's not what I meant but now it is.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I don't believe there would be riots because TM was black. It's more complicated than that.

From the beginning, the media exploited this story. In the beginning the story was a white man killed a black teen who was armed with skittles. Of course, there is more to the story than that; but the media made it seem like it was another Amadou Diallo story. An unarmed black teen was gunned down in cold blood. I was outraged at first, until I found out the rest of the story. But so many just view it as a white man killing an unarmed teen. You still see it here on VJ; Zimmerman killed Trayvon because he was black.

Because of the exploitation of the story, people identified with Trayvon. "I am Trayvon" and all of that. So, now, for some people, if Zimmerman isn't found guilty of murder, then Trayvon didn't get justice. Nothing else will seem fair to them. For those who identify with Trayvon, if they believe that he was gunned down just for being black; what will it mean to them if the court doesn't find GZ guilty? Is it okay to gun down black teens just for walking with skittles?

This is the similarity to the Rodney King riots. So many identified with Rodney King and his treatment by the police. Now, they choose to identify with Trayvon too. It doesn't mean riots will happen, but it isn't racist or "telling" to think it might happen. It's the identifying with the victim and the perceived lack of justice that could lead to riots.

How about those of us who just want all the facts to come out and the right decision to be made.

Unfortunately there is a large group, that no matter how much evidence is presented, anything other than a long jail sentence for GZ will be an injustice. They only see this is as a Hispanic/Black thing.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Not in a self defense case. The perpetrator already admitted to shooting and killing the victim. The burden of proof is on him to prove it was self defense.

Just as much of the burden of proof is on the state to prove it wasn't self defense. reasonable doubt is all it takes for GZ to walk. I think he will get convicted of a lesser form of manslaughter, but nothing more. There doesn't appear to be anything solid to convict him of murder.

[Darnell 8,478]

I feel like we should start a separate thread and discuss what this is really all about. Maybe that will seem better in my mind than GZ and TM all day everyday.

Why? if you come back on a PC, you can study the threads in the P mit R forum for the last 12 months.

This topic is simply a rehash of everything already written by the same players.

On a lighter note - you CAN choose which topics you read and respond (in), no one controls that but you... so if'n you have reactions to 'GZ and TM all day everyday' - well, there are other topics sans the froth... You can always choose other topics to participate in, there's hundreds without the same bruises from folk getting butt-hurt.

[Teddy B 17,252]

The dead guy. You forgot already?

Is he? You know that how?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Actually, Z was still giving directions to the police when he mentioned the part about them always getting away. He then gave more directions and then TM ran. That's when he started chasing him - running after him. After he was told that they didn't need him to chase him, he said okay and they began talking about where Z would meet the police. He didn't say anything even close to meaning that he wouldn't stop following him.

Of course, that doesn't mean he told the truth, but we'll never know.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Wow factual Kudos. You are right I listned to the tape also. I never heard him confront TM. He got out of the truck to see where he had gone. The police told him not to follow him and he said ok.

How come some think TM has the right to beat GZ face into the ground because he thinks he may be following him and he has the right to self defense , but the same people don't think GZ has the right to defend himself when someone is on top of you beating your face into the concrete. That is messed up liberal logic it's highest form.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Just as much of the burden of proof is on the state to prove it wasn't self defense. reasonable doubt is all it takes for GZ to walk. I think he will get convicted of a lesser form of manslaughter, but nothing more. There doesn't appear to be anything solid to convict him of murder.

Nope. The standard for the defense is more likely that not, that the defendant has no opportunity to withdraw, that a reasonable person would believe he could be killed or seriously injured, and that the force used was necessary to prevent serious injury or death. Reasonable doubt works against Zimmerman, not for him.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Is he? You know that how?

He is dead, at the hand of the confessed killer.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Nope. The standard for the defense is more likely that not, that the defendant has no opportunity to withdraw, that a reasonable person would believe he could be killed or seriously injured, and that the force used was necessary to prevent serious injury or death. Reasonable doubt works against Zimmerman, not for him.

That the same standard is put on the prosecution in this case because the only way to convict GZ of murder is to claim the same precedent of self defense for TM.