George Zimmerman's Lawyer Wants Jurors To See Photos Of Handgun, Pot Plants Found On Trayvon Martin's Cell Phone

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Still waiting for the link where Martin had a history of beating up people. We know Zimmerman does, well, as least as far as defenseless drunk women.

We won't get one. I've Googled, can't find anything. He must have facts that we don't have, since he's making statements like that.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

What's to be scared of? Pictures of a gun and some weed?

Why does that define who he was as a person, but GZ's criminal record and actions do not?

Well case closed then, right? Since you know the facts.

Yes, actually. "case never opened" would be more accurate.

Or perhaps you thought the prosecutors forgot to charge GZ with a crime for 2 months? There was no evidence to support a successful prosecution so none was opened. Along come some racists who demand he be charged because of the color of his skin and the politicians concede to a courtroom show to satisfy racists who will never be satisfied.

You must first understand that this is a show. The purpose of the trial is for a show. If it were to punish a criminal the charges would have been filed within 48 hours of the crime. There will be motions and hearings as part of the show. Nothing really defines anyone and it doesn't matter. Even criminals are allowed self defense. The prosecution needs to have an excuse for losing, which they know they will. Allowing prejudical evidence could be their excuse.

At any rate, in the end, the character of neither is not going to matter. One person is going to testify and 12 people have to be convinced he had no right to defend himself while having his head smashed on the sidewalk.

That also means that all 12 of those people from Florida have to believe that THEY have no right to defend THEMSELVES if someone is smashing THEIR head on the sidewalk.

Can you even imagine any outcome but an acquittal?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

We won't get one. I've Googled, can't find anything. He must have facts that we don't have, since he's making statements like that.

Your google must be broken (or you do not know how to use it) because Patriot found lots of irrelevent BS to post about GZ. C'mon, try again.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Well case closed then, right? Since you know the facts.

I know as much as anyone else here. I just think there needs to be evidence backing a murder 2 charge to convict GZ. You apparently. .not so much.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Yes, actually. "case never opened" would be more accurate.

Or perhaps you thought the prosecutors forgot to charge GZ with a crime for 2 months? There was no evidence to support a successful prosecution so none was opened. Along come some racists who demand he be charged because of the color of his skin and the politicians concede to a courtroom show to satisfy racists who will never be satisfied.

You must first understand that this is a show. The purpose of the trial is for a show. If it were to punish a criminal the charges would have been filed within 48 hours of the crime. There will be motions and hearings as part of the show. Nothing really defines anyone and it doesn't matter. Even criminals are allowed self defense. The prosecution needs to have an excuse for losing, which they know they will. Allowing prejudical evidence could be their excuse.

At any rate, in the end, the character of neither is not going to matter. One person is going to testify and 12 people have to be convinced he had no right to defend himself while having his head smashed on the sidewalk.

That also means that all 12 of those people from Florida have to believe that THEY have no right to defend THEMSELVES if someone is smashing THEIR head on the sidewalk.

Can you even imagine any outcome but an acquittal?

Funny how you seem to avoid silly things like facts.

The lead investigator called for Zimmerman's arrest in a report written March 13, a month before the actual arrest. The investigator, Christopher Serino, told prosecutors the fight could have been avoided if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle. He said Zimmerman could have identified himself to Martin, then talked to him, rather than confronting him. There is no evidence Martin was involved in any criminal activity, Serino said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/evidence-trayvon-martin_n_1525285.html

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I know as much as anyone else here. I just think there needs to be evidence backing a murder 2 charge to convict GZ. You apparently. .not so much.

That Zimmerman committed an intentional homicide upon one Trevon Martin without regard for human life has been admitted to by Zimmerman to be fact. What is under dispute, is whether or not Zimmerman can prove self-defense under Florida law. The burden of proof is on Zimmerman, not the state of Florida.

Edited May 27, 2013 by The Patriot

[lostinblue 1,989]

He got lucky. He'd have more than broken nose if he had been stalking me that night.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

[SMOKE 1,426]

That Zimmerman committed an intentional homicide upon one Trevon Martin without regard for human life has been admitted to by Zimmerman to be fact. What is under dispute, is whether or not Zimmerman can prove self-defense under Florida law. The burden of proof is on Zimmerman, not the state of Florida.

Dafuq he did... If he'd plead guilty to murder he wouldn't be standing trial.

What part of the story are you having problems understanding? TM was kicking GZ's ###. GZ shots TM 1 time because the thought his life was in danger. 1 shot

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Funny how you seem to avoid silly things like facts.

I ignore irrelevent BS, whether it is a fact or not does not matter.

Investigators do not make decisions about prosecution. Prosecutors do. Prosecutors know the laws of prosecution, as it is their job. Investigators (police) do not make decisions regarding prosecution and do not prosecute. Their opinions are irrelevent. You seem very interested in irrelevent BS. Unless you think that the police should also be the judge and jury.

The arrest was not made because there was not, and is not, sufficient evidence for a sucessful prosecution and prosecutors knew that...even if investigators do not. The arrest was made subsequent to the demands of racists. This is a political prosecution.

Regardless of the burden or opinions of irrelevent people...the only fact that remains is that the prosecution must find 12 people who agree unanimously that THEY have no right to self defense when THEIR head is being smashed on the sidewalk. GZ gets to pick them. They will come from Florida and be registered voters who supported "stand your ground" and concealed carry legislation.

Good luck.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Dafuq he did... If he'd plead guilty to murder he wouldn't be standing trial.

Homicide = killing of a human being

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

That Zimmerman committed an intentional homicide upon one Trevon Martin without regard for human life has been admitted to by Zimmerman to be fact. What is under dispute, is whether or not Zimmerman can prove self-defense under Florida law. The burden of proof is on Zimmerman, not the state of Florida.

GZ admitted to shooting TM which shooting resulted in his death. That is NOT the same as "an intentional homicide".

Please link to the statement made by GZ that he intended to kill TM.

In order to support a charge of 2nd Homicide the state must show that GZ intended to kill TM. It was a loser from the start. I am not sure it was not an intentional loser. An over-reach to appease racists with the knowledge it could never be substantiated.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Homicide = killing of a human being

And homicide is permitted under proper circumstances. Criminal charges are not the same as a definition of a word. More irrelevance.

Criminal charges have their own definitions and 2nd degree homicie has a specific definition which does not apply to what GZ did, or at least cannot be proven to apply.

If there was a confession then there need be no trial. Can you name me another case where there is a trial AFTER a confession is made? Nonsense.

what we DO know...

There will be a trial, there will be a jury. The jury will be 12 registered voters from Florida that GZ gets to choose, following expert advice on jury selection no doubt. ALL 12 must decide that they have no right to defend themselves when attacked on the street

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

GZ admitted to shooting TM which shooting resulted in his death. That is NOT the same as "an intentional homicide".

Please link to the statement made by GZ that he intended to kill TM.

In order to support a charge of 2nd Homicide the state must show that GZ intended to kill TM. It was a loser from the start. I am not sure it was not an intentional loser. An over-reach to appease racists with the knowledge it could never be substantiated.

All murders are homicides. Not all homicides are murders. If Zimmerman didn't commit a homicide, there would be no need to prove self-defense.

Do you realize how foolish you are to think you could draw a firearm, aim and shoot someone standing in front of you in the middle of the chest and claim you didn't intend to kill him?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

All murders are homicides. Not all homicides are murders. If Zimmerman didn't commit a homicide, there would be no need to prove self-defense.

Do you realize how foolish you are to think you could draw a firearm, aim and shoot someone standing in front of you in the middle of the chest and claim you didn't intend to kill him?

You realize it doesn't matter, right?

But sure, my intent is to stop the assault. If one shot stops the assault and I stop shooting...then his death is incidental, not intentional. Big difference.

Also you have distorted facts. (big surprise) No one aimed and no one was "standing in front" of anyone. TM was on top of GZ smashing his head on the pavement, GZ drew his pistol and fired into TM one time. I doubt he even knew it was his chest. You act like TM was killed by firing squad.

Be that as it may...

It should be no problem to find 12 Florida voters that agree with you that they have no right to defend themselves, get GZ to pick them and get them in one room together. Simple.

All murders are homicides. Not all homicides are murders. If Zimmerman didn't commit a homicide, there would be no need to prove self-defense.

Do you realize how foolish you are to think you could draw a firearm, aim and shoot someone standing in front of you in the middle of the chest and claim you didn't intend to kill him?

Not all homicides are 2nd degree homicides. Do you receive some pleasure from this circle jerk? Or do you actually understand it makes no difference?