George Zimmerman's Lawyer Wants Jurors To See Photos Of Handgun, Pot Plants Found On Trayvon Martin's Cell Phone

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

He was told not to follow. he said Ok and went back to his truck

Yes and then Martin showed up at his truck, and drug him several hundred meters to where he could finally bust his nose and then pounce on his chest, and again drag him several feet again to bounce his head off the sidewalk, at which point Zimmerman finally decided the only way to stop Martin was to somehow draw his weapon and fire a round at an impossible angle near dead center and perpendicular to his chest, with the barrel at a minimum of 3-4 inches away from Martin's flesh, or an "intermediate" distance that implies even farther.

Yes, that seems reasonable.

[B_J 2,752]

We know he got out of his vehicle to look for TM. It matters not how the dispatcher advised him, GZ got out of his vehicle to follow/find TM. He was looking for a confrontation. He knew the police were on their way. He didn't have to do anything at the point except wait for the real cops to show up, but he didn't. I'm willing to bet that this will be a key piece of evidence that will sway the jurors to find him guilty of manslaughter, particularly in connection with the outrageous remarks he made about TM to the dispatcher.

I agree that it doesn't matter how the dispatcher advised him. But many people keep saying that he ignored the advice of the police and the transcript clearly doesn't show that.

I don't see anything in the transcript that shows he wanted a confrontation. He could have had the confrontation at the club house when he first called the police, or when TM walked by his vehicle. If GZ really did start to return to his vehicle when he said okay, then clearly he wasn't looking for a confrontation.

I don't see what outrageous remarks he made either. He described TM to the police when asked and he said, "these ______ always get away." There's nothing wrong with what he said, in my opinion.

[Ban Hammer 12,915]

Now it was merely a suggestion.

Zimmerman absolutely did the right thing - by not taking this suggestion - and following some random person for no reason whatsoever. That's what any good citizen would do! See someone suspicious? Call the cops, but then make sure to try and do THEIR job and track the guy down! After all, he is neighborhood watch. That is their duty, right? Oh wait, no, it isn't.

you do realize that gz had as much right to be there as tm?

[Ban Hammer 12,915]

lol, wot? Take your army helmet off for a minute and think like a civilian. It's an indication of GZ's culpability in why he and TM ever met each other that night. If you listen to the dispatcher, he kinda sounds a bit miffed by GZ's pretend cop behavior and probably didn't want to egg him on further by talking to him like he were a real cop. But what's ignoring the bigger picture is how much of an ####### GZ sounds like during that phone call with the dispatcher.

so was it against the law for gz to be there? um no.

as for how he sounds to the dispatcher, that's not against the law, is it?

So good advice is something that the well armed don't need?

is all advice from the police good?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

so was it against the law for gz to be there? um no.

as for how he sounds to the dispatcher, that's not against the law, is it?

Straw man argument. GZ getting out of his car and following TM against the advice of the dispatcher establishes culpability in the confrontation with TM that led to his death.

Culpability generally implies that an act performed is wrong but does not involve any evil intent by the wrongdoer. The connotation of the term is fault rather than malice or a guilty purpose. It has limited significance in Criminal Law except in cases of reckless Homicide in which a person acts negligently or demonstrates a reckless disregard for life, which results in another person's death. In general, however, culpability has milder connotations. It is used to mean reprehensible rather than wantonly or grossly negligent behavior. Culpable conduct may be wrong but it is not necessarily criminal.

Just on that alone, GZ gets manslaughter. If the physical evidence that Bill posted earlier nullifies GZ's version of what happened once the two crossed paths, he could potentially get 2nd degree murder.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Just on that alone, GZ gets manslaughter. If the physical evidence that Bill posted earlier nullifies GZ's version of what happened once the two crossed paths, he could potentially get 2nd degree murder.

Not only that, but GZ is also running out of money, which means his attorneys will have to cut down on the song and dance normally required to get an acquittal.

I don't see him getting off of this easily, even in Florida.

[Ban Hammer 12,915]

Straw man argument. GZ getting out of his car and following TM against the advice of the dispatcher establishes culpability in the confrontation with TM that led to his death.

Just on that alone, GZ gets manslaughter. If the physical evidence that Bill posted earlier nullifies GZ's version of what happened once the two crossed paths, he could potentially get 2nd degree murder.

no.

now you're saying that was advice. so much for earlier posts by members insinuating it had the force of a lawful order.

Edited May 31, 2013 by charles!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I don't see what outrageous remarks he made either. He described TM to the police when asked and he said, "these ______ always get away." There's nothing wrong with what he said, in my opinion.

You're a teacher, yes? Imagine if you went to the principal's office about a particular student that you were concerned about. You say to the principal, "He's up to no good," to which he replies, "What is it specifically, that makes you believe he is?"

"I don't know. He just looks like he's up to something."

Principal: "Okay, BJ. Thanks for coming into my office and bringing up your concerns. Let me know when you have evidence that supports that claim."

You walk out frustrated with the principal for not believing you, or you understand how foolish you sounded for making unsubstantiated claims against someone?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

you do realize that gz had as much right to be there as tm?

And yet only one of them ended up dead simply for being there. Seems fair.

[Ban Hammer 12,915]

And yet only one of them ended up dead simply for being there. Seems fair.

simply for being there, or for simply bashing the other's head against the ground?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

simply for being there, or for simply bashing the other's head against the ground?

He was doing nothing wrong to warrant the attention of GZ. Other than "being suspicious" ... whatever that means. He was simply walking home. Apparently, in GZ's world, that's enough to call the cops about.

You don't know what happened once the two actually met. Neither do I.

It's very clear, however, that GZ did not want TM to get away.

Edited May 31, 2013 by Penny Lane

[lostinblue 1,989]

And yet only one of them ended up dead simply for being there. Seems fair.

And travon could have just walked 30 seconds and went home. Or was it George who threw Travon on the ground and held him there.MMA style.?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

And travon could have just walked 30 seconds and went home. Or was it George who threw Travon on the ground and held him there.MMA style.?

And GZ could have let the cops do their job and not follow him. I can play this game too.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And travon could have just walked 30 seconds and went home.

That is exactly what the kid was doing until he was followed by the creep that ended up snuffing him out.

[Ban Hammer 12,915]

He was doing nothing wrong to warrant the attention of GZ. Other than "being suspicious" ... whatever that means. He was simply walking home. Apparently, in GZ's world, that's enough to call the cops about.

You don't know what happened once the two actually met. Neither do I.

It's very clear, however, that GZ did not want TM to get away.

gz called about a suspicious person. that's not against the law, is it?

it should also be very clear that tm didn't want gz's head to go unblemished.

Edited May 31, 2013 by charles!