George Zimmerman's Lawyer Wants Jurors To See Photos Of Handgun, Pot Plants Found On Trayvon Martin's Cell Phone

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You mean they support background checks....sure yep the majority do.

Yes. There's also a broad majority in favor of requiring gun sellers to keep a record of each transaction. Better yet, there's even a majority for a national gun registry. Bottom line, the majority of Americans are more concerned about the real threat the gun nuts pose than they are about any potential threat their own government poses. Remember, the idea that the government is the enemy is something only the paranoid delusional few subscribe to. And some of those paranoid delusional types are armed to their teeth. That's reason for concern.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Name calling again...anyway an FFL has to keep a record of all transactions in a bound book...

Yes, but that is not the same as a national registry, is it. Those transactions are subject to inspection, but the records are not permanent - they may be discarded after 20 years, unless the transaction is through a manufacturer or an importer. A bound book is no longer required, the transactions may be kept on a computer - oops! Hard drive crash and I was so meaning to back all that data up one day.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Then increase the number of years to hold the record and stiffen the penalties for not producing the record. Every logical American would want to avoid having their data in a Federal database, I mean afterall the Chinese are going to get it.

The current system is cumbersome, if not impossible, for simply tracking the history of a particular firearm, let alone what firearms may have passed through the hands of a particular individual. You have to go to the original manufacturer or importer, just to find the starting point, and eventually you might find the dealer that originally sold the weapon and to whom, if it was less than 20 years ago. After that, it is hit and miss to trace the weapon.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It depends on the divide, it depends on the conditions. Armed citizens have controlled corruption in the past at state / county levels.

We can never say with certainty that the US government won't fall into a repressive regime. It seems unlikely today, but it could happen.

Armed citizens overthrew the British goverment.

It is not necessary that we be able to or actually "overthrow" anything, it is only necessary that we be able to make it difficult to oppress.

For the same reason that Vermont is a safe state because we can all be armed (despite a terrible drug problem...thanks for that article, Patriot) without actually killing anyone...the US remains free because we can be armed, not because we actually overthrow anything.

The presence of firearms in the hands of good people prevents a lot of bad things from happening. You do not actually have to use them.

Suggesting we could maintain freedom while surrendering parts and pieces of our rights because we "don't need them" is ludicrous. Too stupid to discuss further. We made them rights because they are so important we could not take the chance that stupid people would eliminate them

As for GZ, the pupose of the motion presented was to get publicity and donations, it worked. "nd purpose was to eliminate the possibility of the prosecution pointing out how innocent the "juvenile" was and presenting evidence about GZ's history. The ruling established that evidence of previous behavior is not allowed and is irrelevent (where did you here that before?)

The prosecutions attempt to silence the defense with a gag order so that they could not raise awareness and money failed.

It was not a bad day for the defense. GZ will walk. This helps. To think otherwise you would have to believe his defense team not informed and did not know what would happen. Seriously?

Edited May 29, 2013 by Gary and Alla

[GandD 5,966]

Armed citizens overthrew the British goverment.

Muskets defeated muskets. Oh and we would have lost without the French Navy. Good luck against tanks or precision missile strikes.

[Karee 4,191]

Muskets defeated muskets. Oh and we would have lost without the French Navy. Good luck against tanks or precision missile strikes.

Nature Boy brought up a good point. What about Vietnam and Afghanistan?

[GandD 5,966]

Nature Boy brought up a good point. What about Vietnam and Afghanistan?

It would all depend on the tactics used by the government. If Rome could contain the dissidence of cities with their brutal tactics, the US government could. There's tons of guns in the middle east, ak-47s even. Yet many of those countries remain under authoritarian rule. Sometimes the govt is overthrown but its only with help from the military directly or with a good amount of defectors and their equipment. Syrian rebels are only still active because the international community won't let Syria use gas.

[himher 634]

Your "committed partisan resistance" would also be up against 80% and more of the population. The vast majority of Americans wants you gun nutters kept in check and controlled.

Poll: 62 Percent of Americans Want Senate to Drop Gun Control

http://reason.com/poll/2013/05/29/poll-two-thirds-of-americans-want-senate

Yeah we see that "vast majority" - they're on it like a Texas dust storm.

Looks like 38% of the population make 80% of the noise

Hopefully when obamacare kicks in fully it will include free medications to control liberal delusions

Edited May 29, 2013 by himher

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Nature Boy brought up a good point. What about Vietnam and Afghanistan?

What about them?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Poll: 62 Percent of Americans Want Senate to Drop Gun Control

http://reason.com/poll/2013/05/29/poll-two-thirds-of-americans-want-senate

Yeah we see that "vast majority" - they're on it like a Texas dust storm.

Looks like 38% of the population make 80% of the noise

Hopefully when obamacare kicks in fully it will include free medications to control liberal delusions

It's called an outlier. Besides, your source can't even get the reporting on this outlier poll correct.

Eighty-three percent of Republicans want the Senate to move on, as well as 66 percent of Independents; however, a majority (51 percent) of Democrats want the Senate to debate and vote again.

And then this in contrast on the same page:

[himher 634]

Better be prepared to use it, cause I'll come after you like a wild banshee if you stalk me at night. And if you do shoot me, you better get yourself a good lawyer to try and explain your threatening behavior that night that led to a scuffle.

Good lawyer? Any average lawyer could clearly outline and justify popping an illinois liberal for running his mouth in the wrong place at the wrong time

[Karee 4,191]

What about them?

That overwhelming firepower does not always win wars.

[himher 634]

It's called an outlier. Besides, your source can't even get the reporting on this outlier poll correct.

And then this in contrast on the same page:

OH I'm sorry. 33% of the population makes 80+ percent of the noise. I was off by 1%.

Lemme see who did we leave out?

Democrats say move on

Republicans say move on

Men say move on

Women say move on

Caucasians, latinos, AA, Asians say move on

Libertarians, conservatives, middle-of the road say move on

That leaves liberal independents who have no gender and no race

That means you and the transgendered community still in the fight for gun control

[GandD 5,966]

That overwhelming firepower does not always win wars.

It will if there's no limits.

[Karee 4,191]

It will if there's no limits.

I'd think that if they set limits on killing foreigners, they'd probably set limits on killing USCs.