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[The Nature Boy 4,224]

so how many generations are we at now?

Let's see the war on the poor got into full gear about 1970.So if someone started in 1970 with the 2nd generation. we are somewhere north of 5 now.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I agree totally...but the rub is how to do that? I don't have an answer for that one.

Tough love

[one...two...tree 2,762]

To me its being pragmatic, not some pie in the sky liberal agenda.

That is the word missing in the rhetoric of the modern day Republican Party. They aren't interested in solutions to problems because they think government IS the problem. Even though Reagan echoed that sentiment, his actions as president were more pragmatic than idealistic. The GOP has always maintained a high level of individual liberty, but it was tempered with embracing government's role in promoting prosperity for all. Then Ayn Rand came along and some of her disciples such as Milton Friedman and Alan Greenspan became prominent policy shapers who instituted Randian philosophy, which held the individual as the highest authority and despised government as a cancer to the individual. Greenspan in later years admitted that the Randian philosophy he once followed religiously, was a farce, and consequently he was thrown under the bus by his own pseudo-libertarian Republicans.

[james&olya 1,121]

Agreed. Take Obamacare. It's Republican policy from 2 decades ago. Take the individual mandate. That's been thought up by the Heritage Foundation. One would be hard pressed to come up with Democratic party policy proposals that Democrats reject only because the other side happened to suddenly support them.

The only thing I can think of is the reversal of the parties positions on equal rights. Though it is more complicated than how you state it, it is true that once the democratic party contained the biggest opponents of equal rights and that has been completely reversed now. I think the bigots have found a more natural home now. Northern democrats had often been greatly irritated by some of their southern racist colleagues so Nixon's 'southern strategy' helped out both sides!

[james&olya 1,121]

The point is, in someone who doesn't see things the way you do, they are extreme. You can't see how point of view is related to what one would consider extreme? Some people are guided by religious philosophy and its not fair to call them dumb or stupid.

You are right, of course, point of view is key to what you consider extreme. Most Europeans find many of Obama's positions, as well as the democratic party in general, to be quite conservative! Many people do not seem to be able to appreciate nuances of viewpoint and see anything to their left as extreme liberal or to the right as extreme conservative. I think that problem is bigger on the right as conservatives in general tend to see things in more absolutist, black and white, authoritarian kinds of ways, where liberals are more likely to appreciate nuances and shades of gray.

I disagree about whether it is OK to label some religious people dumb or stupid. Take situations like Westboro Baptist church, that Jim Jones mass suicide thing or David Koresh and his Waco crazies. I think some of these qualify as more than a little dumb/stupid. It may not be kind to do so but that is a different question.

[james&olya 1,121]

Yes it is, but it is a persons right to be ignorant in support of their religious beliefs or lack of,whatever the case might be. The point is that just because you disagree with something does not give you the right to impose it on someone else.

I have said a million times, you far left nut jobs and the far right nut jobs have the same issue. You only support the rights you find appealing and the hell with the rest of them.

Example- I think one man marrying 4 women is just plain loony. I do however support the right of consenting adults entering into what ever kind of relationship they wish. So I support it.

You can't understand why anyone would want to own an AR-15. It's loony to you. Your idea. Ban and confiscate them.

I understand many different reasons why people might want an AR-15 or even more extreme levels of firepower. A few are rather benign. Many are more than a little frightening. I hope most people who have chosen to own them have done so for the former and not the latter. But I question if the benefit to society of the former is great enough to outweigh the enormous risk caused by the latter, even though it is a distinct minority of owners in that category.

[decocker 7,198]

36?

what's considered a generation, ten years?

Let's see the war on the poor got into full gear about 1970.So if someone started in 1970 with the 2nd generation. we are somewhere north of 5 now.

war on the poor huh. and you want to go after the breeders.

[Teddy B 17,252]

what's considered a generation, ten years?

It's hard to find two people who agree on what the definition (in time) is of a generation. It was originally meant to describe the amount of time passed between the birth of a child and then that child having a baby, which was anywhere from 18 to 25 years. There really is no set number, and a lot of people think a generation equals a decade.

[decocker 7,198]

It's hard to find two people who agree on what the definition (in time) is of a generation. It was originally meant to describe the amount of time passed between the birth of a child and then that child having a baby, which was anywhere from 18 to 25 years. There really is no set number, and a lot of people think a generation equals a decade.

i thought that a generation had to be defined by some common trend or signficant event that occured/began during youth that permeates their culture and affects their perception...like wwII or the internet. basically something that makes you loose commonailty with the kids.

[Teddy B 17,252]

i thought that a generation had to be defined by some common trend or signficant event that occured/began during youth that permeates their culture and affects their perception...like wwII or the internet. basically something that makes you loose commonailty with the kids.

There are many definitions to what a generation is:

Definition of GENERATION

1

a : a body of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor

b : a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously

c : a group of individuals having contemporaneously a status (as that of students in a school) which each one holds only for a limited period

d : a type or class of objects usually developed from an earlier type <first of the … new generation of powerful supersonic fighters — Kenneth Koyen>

2

a : the action or process of producing offspring : procreation

b : the process of coming or bringing into being <generation of income>

c : origination by a generating process : production; especially : formation of a geometric figure by motion of another

3

: the average span of time between the birth of parents and that of their offspring

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generation

Edited May 23, 2013 by Teddy B

[decocker 7,198]

There are many definitions to what a generation is:

Definition of GENERATION

1

a : a body of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor

b : a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously

c : a group of individuals having contemporaneously a status (as that of students in a school) which each one holds only for a limited period

d : a type or class of objects usually developed from an earlier type <first of the … new generation of powerful supersonic fighters — Kenneth Koyen>

2

a : the action or process of producing offspring : procreation

b : the process of coming or bringing into being <generation of income>

c : origination by a generating process : production; especially : formation of a geometric figure by motion of another

3

: the average span of time between the birth of parents and that of their offspring

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generation

yes, teddy. thank you very much for the definitions. i was speaking in reference to say, time covers. the labelling of millenials, gen xers, etc..

[Teddy B 17,252]

yes, teddy. thank you very much for the definitions. i was speaking in reference to say, time covers. the labelling of millenials, gen xers, etc..

You originally asked how long a generation was "10 years"? You then asked what describes a generation, I believe I answered your quetsions. There is no exact answer when it comes to what defines a generation.

[decocker 7,198]

You originally asked how long a generation was "10 years"? You then asked what describes a generation, I believe I answered your quetsions. There is no exact answer when it comes to what defines a generation.

not that it matters, but you'd have to read the post i was responding to initially from nature boy and then my response to karee. my question was rhetorical. the idea that generation after generation (36 generations was karee's response) is being rewarded for being "Govt funded Brood Humans to spat out child after child, from an early age" is right wing hype. it's a sensationalized puritanical approach to describing generational poverty.

[Teddy B 17,252]

not that it matters, but you'd have to read the post i was responding to initially from nature boy and then my response to karee. my question was rhetorical. the idea that generation after generation (36 generations was karee's response) is being rewarded for being "Govt funded Brood Humans to spat out child after child, from an early age" is right wing hype. it's a sensationalized puritanical approach to describing generational poverty.

I saw both posts, I get where you're coming from. I just wanted to spout my vast knowledge of what defines a generation. And it's slow here at work today.

[Karee 4,191]

36 was just a smart a$$ comment on my part.