Atheism, not religion

[Ranmaru 0]

This part was interesting to think about

Religious fanatics have done things that are impossible to defend, and some of them, mostly in the Muslim world, are still performing horrors in the name of their creed. But if religion sometimes disposes people to self-righteousness and absolutism, it also provides a moral code that condemns the slaughter of innocents. In particular, the moral teachings of Jesus provide no support for - indeed they stand as a stern rebuke to - the historical injustices perpetrated in the name of Christianity.

My husband and I....

Heh, as a former Christian... (Well, okay. Officially I am still one. But I don't believe.)... I can say that our history is not all that great. I mean, come on... the Crusade!? Oh, those people over there believe in a different god... let's kill them! That'll teach them to believe in our god. If you ask me, the Christians are worse than the Muslims. Mind you, I do not have full information on the latter, but I truly believe that Christian religion is worse. Why? Because it asumes that everyone is one! And if you are not, then burn in hell!

Even so. I say that when it comes to religion, there is no good or bad. The only bad part is if they start meddling with other cultures. The Christians condemn the Muslims for things like 'honor killings' and here in Holland it's a hot topic on their wearing of burkas and such... if it should be allowed to be banned or not. (even though it might not be religion, to them it's tradition.)

When in fact, do they have a right to say that people who were brought up in a completely different culture are wrong? Maybe the Christians are wrong? I say there is not even a wrong or right in such equasions.

Anyhow, enough for my babbling, getting off topic.

There has been a lot of death in this world, thanks to religion... but also there were there was a lack of!

Even in the ancient days, battles were fought to promote their gods. Even now it happends! Most recent is probably the stuff happening (I believe it is still going on) in Ireland. In Holland, Muslims are having a hard time living because of severe discrimination, based on their culture and beliefs. Is saddens me to see this.

But it's how a human works I guess. They are brought up with certain norms and believes, their own 'knowledge' on what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'. If others do not have these same believes, then they will conflict. Sure, there are exceptions and things that ease the conflict. But here in Holland I can observe quite well why things are going wrong. We try to apapt others to our way of life, so that we do not need to. And the other party (severity depending on topic) tries to do the same. If there is enough friction caused... ###### hits the fan.

I envy animals (asume non-humans) sometimes. They don't kill for their believes. They do not murder because 'it seemed like the right idea at the time', and they are in no way able to push one button and suddenly wipe out an entire continent. They hunt and kill to live. Sometimes to show affection to others. Like a cat bringing a mouse to its master.

Sure, there is a feeling of territory. And some want to expand. But never as far as we seem to take it.

But we have 'evolved' so far away from that 'cat', or other animal. We've found out that if we kill others in certain ways, other people with less power will do things our way. We are lost in the journey for more power.

Now in this, I do not mean 'we' with everyone that is on this world. There are enough pacifists and other types of people on this world that hate it.

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Okay, that was a trail of thought of me just typing whatever come up in my head about the topic. Hehe, silly me, gets lost so easily. Mind you that I am not trying to offend anything, just showing that I /believe/ to know, or have learned in my nineteen tiny years of life.

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On the mirror side, Religion has brought a lot of good as well. Breaking away from the topic of death caused by religion, it brought good. It grabbed people together under one flag. Sure, there were times this went seriously the wrong way. Several streams of Catholic religions have had their time in our world's past where the majority believed in something, and all people in the empire that practiced a different belief system or version, were killed! (Same god, different explaination of the same book... so glad novel writers like Tolkien or *insert random other writer here* does not have to go through that.)

But back to the good things. Yes, it brought people together. There have been many wars in our world, and often people took solace in their believes. I've noticed that people that truly believe in god or have certain religions have a much easier time to procede after a close one's death.

Religion brings people together, allows them to do things together. They feel safe under the same flag as a big group. For isn't it true that humans are pack animals? Living in huge groups?

I'd love to bet that if it was not for religion, we'd now have completely different country-borders. Either a lot of smaller countries, or one country that forced its power on others for the sheer greed that we seem to possess.

I think I am gonna stop here. Enough writing. *shifts his eyes around* Yeah, time for bed. *yoinks*

Oh, and for people who want to reply to me. I repeat, this are just things I believe to know, under no circumstances does this mean I believe this to be the only truth. Or that I am completely right.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Heh, as a former Christian... (Well, okay. Officially I am still one. But I don't believe.)... I can say that our history is not all that great. I mean, come on... the Crusade!? Oh, those people over there believe in a different god... let's kill them! That'll teach them to believe in our god. If you ask me, the Christians are worse than the Muslims. Mind you, I do not have full information on the latter, but I truly believe that Christian religion is worse. Why? Because it asumes that everyone is one! And if you are not, then burn in hell!

LOL Learn your history. The crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. It's history, not religion.

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

Heh, as a former Christian... (Well, okay. Officially I am still one. But I don't believe.)... I can say that our history is not all that great. I mean, come on... the Crusade!? Oh, those people over there believe in a different god... let's kill them! That'll teach them to believe in our god. If you ask me, the Christians are worse than the Muslims. Mind you, I do not have full information on the latter, but I truly believe that Christian religion is worse. Why? Because it asumes that everyone is one! And if you are not, then burn in hell!

LOL Learn your history. The crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. It's history, not religion.

yeah, i totally remember the riots over the christian cartoons the muslims created

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Heh, as a former Christian... (Well, okay. Officially I am still one. But I don't believe.)... I can say that our history is not all that great. I mean, come on... the Crusade!? Oh, those people over there believe in a different god... let's kill them! That'll teach them to believe in our god. If you ask me, the Christians are worse than the Muslims. Mind you, I do not have full information on the latter, but I truly believe that Christian religion is worse. Why? Because it asumes that everyone is one! And if you are not, then burn in hell!

LOL Learn your history. The crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. It's history, not religion.

yeah, i totally remember the riots over the christian cartoons the muslims created

didn't I see the pope burning an effigy of Mohamed?

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

Heh, as a former Christian... (Well, okay. Officially I am still one. But I don't believe.)... I can say that our history is not all that great. I mean, come on... the Crusade!? Oh, those people over there believe in a different god... let's kill them! That'll teach them to believe in our god. If you ask me, the Christians are worse than the Muslims. Mind you, I do not have full information on the latter, but I truly believe that Christian religion is worse. Why? Because it asumes that everyone is one! And if you are not, then burn in hell!

LOL Learn your history. The crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. It's history, not religion.

yeah, i totally remember the riots over the christian cartoons the muslims created

didn't I see the pope burning an effigy of Mohamed?

didn't see that but i do remember a flock of cardinals beheading a guy

[Ranmaru 0]

In that case, I apologize. I was malinformed.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

In that case, I apologize. I was malinformed.

I thought the same until I looked into it. It's western guilt.

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

In that case, I apologize. I was malinformed.

I thought the same until I looked into it. It's western guilt.

you need an extra helping, i see you're running low.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Heh, as a former Christian... (Well, okay. Officially I am still one. But I don't believe.)... I can say that our history is not all that great. I mean, come on... the Crusade!? Oh, those people over there believe in a different god... let's kill them! That'll teach them to believe in our god. If you ask me, the Christians are worse than the Muslims. Mind you, I do not have full information on the latter, but I truly believe that Christian religion is worse. Why? Because it asumes that everyone is one! And if you are not, then burn in hell!

LOL Learn your history. The crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. It's history, not religion.

Well they had attacked the Eastern Roman Empire, which after the collapse of the West in the 5th century was the target of almost every nation state that used to be under Roman rule. The Emperor's going to Pope Urban II (a sworn enemy) was an act of desperation. More than that The First Crusade itself shows certain paralels to the current Iraq war - considering that the real goal, as opposed to the stated goal, was something quite different. In this case it was the conquest of Jerusalem.

Of course the Seljuks who were running the arab world at that time are

are remembered as great patrons of Persian culture, art, literature, and language

which doesn't quite gel too well with the popular conception of them as mindless barbarians (for a contrasting example you might want to consider the Mongols - who did far more damage to world than the muslims did in the Crusades.