The New Anti Semitism

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I can not say I have noticed any difference between general attitudes in the US and the UK regarding the PLO.

Can not comment of Europe.

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I can not say I have noticed any difference between general attitudes in the US and the UK regarding the PLO.

Can not comment of Europe.

It's true that a lot of people are generally clueless about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. There's a reason for that

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Certainly amongst my peers that is not the case.

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I'm sure that's what you (and they) think.

Here's a short quiz which should be real easy for the well-informed:

THE ISRAEL-PALESTINE QUIZ QUESTIONS:

1. Who wrote the following in 1891? “We abroad are used to believing Eretz Yisrael is now almost totally desolate, a desert that is not sowed, and anyone who wishes to purchase land there may come and purchase as much as he desires. But in truth this is not the case. Throughout the country, it is difficult to find fields that are not sowed. Only sand dunes and stony mountains that are not fit to grow anything but fruit trees – and this only after hard labor and great expense …”

2. Who declared the following in 1930? “Land is the most necessary thing for our establishing roots in Palestine. Since there are hardly any more arable unsettled lands in Palestine, we are bound in each case of the purchase of land and its settlement to remove the peasants who cultivated the land so far, both owners of the land and tenants.”

3. Who, in 1919, wrote the following, in a secret memorandum submitted to the British cabinet? “For in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country [i.e., we do not accept the principle of self-determination for the Arabs of Palestine] … the four great powers are committed to Zionism. And Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long traditions, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land …”

4. According to Mandatory Palestine's first modern census, conducted in 1922, approximately what percentage of the total population were Jews?

5. Approximately what percentage of Mandatory Palestine's inhabitants were Jews in 1947?

6. Approximately what percentage of Mandatory Palestine's land was allocated for the Jewish state by the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan (which supported the division of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state)?

7. Approximately what percentage of Mandatory Palestine's land was owned by Jews at the time of the 1947 UN Partition Plan?

8. Which state, the Jewish State or Arab State, was to include Jerusalem according to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?

9. During the 1948-49 War, approximately how many Arabs fled or were ejected from the areas that became the Jewish state?

10. After the 1948-49 Arab-Israeli War, approximately what percentage of Mandatory Palestine's land was part of the Jewish state?

11. After the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, what percentage of Mandatory Palestine's land was part of, or occupied by, Israel?

12. Which future prime minister of Israel wrote the following in October 1937? “My assumption is that … a partial Jewish state is not an end but a beginning … and it will serve as a powerful lever in our historical efforts to redeem the whole of the country.”

13. From Israel's victory in the 1967 War to the Likud's electoral victory in 1977, approximately how many Jewish settlers migrated to East Jerusalem and to the West Bank and Gaza Strip?

14. At the time of the signing of the Oslo Declaration of Principles in September 1993, approximately how many Jewish settlers lived in East Jerusalem and the West Bank?

15. When the Camp David Summit began in July 2000, approximately how many Jewish settlers lived in East Jerusalem and the West Bank?

16. In 2007, approximately how many Jewish settlers and how many Palestinians lived in Hebron?

17. Approximately what percentage of West Bank land is consumed by Israeli settlements and related infrastructure such as a separate road network for Israeli settlers and the Wall?

18. Approximately how many Lebanese civilians were killed by Israel during its 1982 invasion of Lebanon?

19. Approximately how many cluster sub-munitions (bomblets) were dropped by Israel on Lebanon in the last few days of the 2006 Lebanon confrontation?

20. Who said the following in 1998? "If I were a young Palestinian, it is possible I would join a terrorist organization."

21. Who wrote the following September 18, 1967 Top Secret memo, concerning Settlement in the Administered (or Occupied) Territories, to Mr. Adi Yafeh, Political Secretary of the Prime Minister of Israel? “As per your request ... I hereby provide you a copy of my memorandum of September 14, 1967, which I presented to the Foreign Minister. My conclusion is that civilian settlement in the administered territories contravenes the explicit provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention.”

22. Who wrote the following passage, in an article in one of Israel’s leading newspapers, in 2002? “The Six-Day War was forced upon us; however, the war's seventh day, which began on June 12, 1967 and has continued to this day, is the product of our choice. We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”

23. Who wrote the following passage in his 2006 book? “For, regardless of party loyalties and according to most studies, the overwhelming majority of Israelis would support a peace settlement that is based on the Clinton parameters--two states, withdrawal from territories, massive dismantling of settlements, two capitals in Jerusalem--but they trust neither their political system nor, of course, the Palestinian leadership to come to an accommodation on that basis. Which may explain the results of a poll conducted in 2002 by the Steinmetz Centre for Peace at Tel Aviv University indicating that, convinced of the incapacity of their political system to produce solutions, 67% of Israeli Jews would support an American effort to recruit an international alliance that would coax the parties into endorsing such a settlement.”

24. Who stated the following on Democracy Now!, a news program, on February 14, 2006? “…Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well. … But Taba is [another matter] …”

25. Who said the following? "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."

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How many Palestinians are also Arabs?

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How many Palestinians are also Arabs?

How many Jews are also Arabs ?

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Seven Deadly Myths

Trailer for a new film by Lia Tarachansky, an Israeli who grew up in the illegal West Bank settlement of Ariel.

In her film, Tarachansky follows Israeli veterans of that war as they struggle to untangle their memory and years of denial in an erased landscape of segregation. Drawing a clear line between the events of that year and the continuation of that displacement today, the film revolutionizes the way we see the conflict.

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At last, the truth. The actual map that Abbas drew based on the map Olmert has shown him has finally been revealed. Over the years, different versions and assumptions about the map were floating around, but it was never the actual hand drawn map. Well, here it is, including the link(I could not find a source in English yet nor could I find the time to sit and translate, but google translate should be good enough.

The second link is from 2009 and what Abbas himself said about it then.

http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/9/2644558&m=1

http://www.haaretz.com/news/abbas-olmert-offered-pa-land-equaling-100-of-west-bank-1.1747

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Oh look. It's the map Abbas had to sketch himself out on a scrap of paper to try to get Israel to commit to some kind of tangible representation of what it was offering, because Israeli negotiators wouldn't even give him a map of the land swaps they were proposing.

I noticed that Israel's refusal to give up control of the Jordanian border is not even represented on the maps - this is a huge chunk of the West Bank that Israel insists on keeping.

But click through to the map at your Haaretz link. Notice that big white space where East Jerusalem is supposed to be ? It's now labeled as "settlements to be annexed to Israel" (as opposed to "areas to be annexed to Israel," shown in blue.)

Some of the areas offered next to Gaza were toxic waste dumps, and the land offered north of Arad is Judean desert - this is the kind of "generous offer" Israel suggested that the Palestinians accept in exchange for Israel keeping prime agricultural land and strategic areas on top of the aquifers deep in the heart of the West Bank.

At any rate, what does this tangent have to do with the topic of antisemitism ?

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You know why the Jordanian border is not represented? Because Olmert did in fact offer to give it all up. It even says so in the first link. What does it have to do with anti semitism? nothing, but the thread was already derailed, so why start a new one?

The reason Olmert didn't give Abbas the map is cause he wanted him to sign his initials first, but instead Abbas went to his office in Ramallah, told everyone to be silent and sketched it from his memory. Olmert offered to give up Israeli sovereignity over the temple mount, Israeli presence in the jordan valley, territories in the area of Afula, Tirat Zvi, north of jerusalem and the judean desert and not only near Gaza...

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In a move that has outraged Jewish residents of Judea and Samaria, a Nazi flag was waved over a Palestinian mosque near Hebron.

Jewish residents of Judea and Samaria were shocked to see a Nazi flag waving over a mosque in the Palestinian village of Beit Omar near Hebron on Monday. The flag was visible to thousands of Israeli citizens who pass by this mosque en route from Hebron to work. Uri Arnon, who saw the flag, told Tazpit News Agency, “I felt we were going back 75 years, losing our hold on the land. The Arabs no longer feel the need to hide their murderous tendencies, announcing out loud that they wish to destroy us.”

Aryeh Savir of the Tazpit News Agency reported, “The IDF’s Coordination Office of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) latest response is that they are waiting for members of the Palestinian electricity company to come in and remove it because it is on power lines.” Still, regardless whether the flag stays up or not, the fact that a Nazi flag was waved over a Palestinian mosque is an uncanny reminder of how certain Palestinian nationalists have demonstrated overt support for Nazism, thus demonstrating once again that they have no intention of peacefully coexisting with Israel.

In fact, according to the Walid Shoebat Foundation, which is run by a Palestinian named Walid Shoebat who used to be a PLO terrorist yet has in recent years become an advocate for Israel, claims that such Palestinian actions should not surprise any of us. He says that the fact that a Nazi flag would be waved over a Palestinian mosque “should be common knowledge but is continuously ignored – Islamic fundamentalists and Nazis are like-minded. That a Nazi flag would be flying over a Palestinian village near a Mosque should actually be less shocking than the fact that so many are shocked by it.”

Close Ties between the Grand Mufti of Palestine and Adolph Hitler

In the 1930’s, Palestinian leader Grand Mufti Haj Amin Al Husseini, who was directly involved in the 1929 riots that destroyed the ancient Jewish community of Hebron, developed a very close alliance with Nazi Germany. The Grand Mufti and his followers were so attached to Hitler that they even adopted Nazi salutes, waved pictures of Hitler at rallies, and placed swastikas on their written materials, while the Nazis reciprocated by giving scholarships to Arab students, hiring Arabs in German firms, and inviting Arab leaders to Nazi rallies, at a time when Jews who lived within Germany their entire lives were denied such opportunities.

Indeed, the Mufti was on the Nazis payroll as an agent and propagandist, and the Nazis were actively involved in forming links with Arabic media outlets, whose anti-Jewish legacy that began around the time of the Holocaust endures to the present day. The Grand Mufti was behind the Great Arab Revolt of 1936-1939 and the countless Arab terror operations targeting the Jews of Israel; was involved with the Farhud massacre of members of the Baghdad Jewish community in 1941; actively urged European governments to transport Jews to death camps and not let Jews leave Europe; and was involved in training pro-Nazis Bosnian forces, who committed countless atrocities. He also smuggled Nazi loot into Arab countries.

Present Ties between Palestinian Nationalism and Nazism

According to Palestinian Media Watch, “The name Hitler does not carry the stigma in PA society that it does in the West. Both the Hamas weekly and the Fatah PA dailies have written in favorable tones about Hitler. To some Palestinians, the man and his name are worthy of admiration. While it may be surprising to Western observers to see official Palestinian sources presenting Hitler in a heroic light, it is important to note that the revulsion of Hitler that is taken for granted in the West is not true of Palestinian society. There are even Palestinians whose first name is Hitler.”

For example, one article in Al Hayat Al Jadida written not too long ago by Hassan Ouda Abu Zaher stated, “Had Hitler won, Nazism would be an honor that people would be competing to belong to, and not a disgrace punishable by law. Churchill and Roosevelt were alcoholics, and in their youth were questioned more than once about brawls they started in bars, while Hitler hated alcohol and was not addicted to it. He used to go to sleep early and wake up early, and was very organized. These facts have been turned upside down as well, and Satan has been dressed with angels’ wings.” Indeed, waving a Nazi flag over a Palestinian mosque is merely the latest manifestation of the Palestinian national movements’ overt support for Nazi ideology.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/palestinians-wave-nazi-flag-over-mosque/

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http://unitedwithisrael.org/palestinians-wave-nazi-flag-over-mosque/

More United With Israel hasbara, trying to push the same Haj Amin al Husseini fraud that you already failed with on page 2. You're going in circles now.

The flag is hanging off some power lines - nobody even knows who put it there. Might have been your settlers, for all we know, trying to manufacture "evidence" of antisemitism. The PA is already supposed to remove it.

So this is all you've got ?

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http://unitedwithisrael.org/palestinians-wave-nazi-flag-over-mosque/

I'm surprised that flag isn't flying proudly over the Knesset the way the Israeli govt. treats people. The seem to have pulled some of their policies straight out of the 1930s and 40s Nazi playbook.

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Did the Palestinians originate modern Islamic terrorism or did it spread from somewhere else?

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Did the Palestinians originate modern Islamic terrorism or did it spread from somewhere else?

Well, the original terrorism is the name of Islam began with Mohammed right from the start. As the centuries passed, like most conquering armies, as the religion became established, it has become more scholarly, and mellowed with age. However, there are a few elements with some of the original fervor, that the religion as a whole has disowned, but much like Jesse James and Cole Younger are to the western romantics, I expect there is some nostalgia for the days of glory, when the Muslims of old had great Armies that could terrorize the infidels at will.