The New Anti Semitism

[GandD 5,966]

The film examines whether anti-Semitic has become an all purpose label for anyone who criticizes Israel and the possibility that some Jews' preoccupation with the past -- i.e., the Holocaust -- is preventing progress in the here and now.^[1] Shamir decided to make this film after a critic of an earlier film accused him of antisemitism.^[1]

For real. Drives me nuts when cultures always talk about past events like the crusades or slavery.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

For real. Drives me nuts when cultures always talk about past events like the crusades or slavery.

Well... I think history and past events must be considered within their context. But certainly not brandished against a people who had nothing to do with a particular historical crime, and used as an excuse for dispossessing them.

[OriZ 3,157]

Not exactly accurate.

Adolf Hitler met with Haj Amin al-Husseini on 28 November 1941. The official German notes of that meeting record contains numerous references to combatting Jews both inside and outside Europe. The following excerpts from that meeting are statements from Hitler to the Mufti:

Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine, which was nothing other than a center, in the form of a state, for the exercise of destructive influence by Jewish interests....This was the decisive struggle; on the political plane, it presented itself in the main as a conflict between Germany and England, but ideologically it was a battle between National Socialism and the Jews. It went without saying that Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle, because platonic promises were useless in a war for survival or destruction in which the Jews were able to mobilize all of England's power for their ends....the Fuhrer would on his own give the Arab world the assurance that its hour of liberation had arrived. Germany's objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. It would then be his task to set off the Arab operations, which he had secretly prepared. When that time had come, Germany could also be indifferent to French reaction to such a declaration.

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[24]

[25]

Haj Amin al-Husseini became the most prominent Arab collaborator with the Axis powers. He developed friendships with high-ranking Nazis, including Heinrich Himmler, Joachim von Ribbentropand (possibly) Adolf Eichmann. He contributed to Axis propaganda services and recruitment of Muslim and Arab soldiers for Nazi armed forces, including three SS divisions of Yugoslavian Muslims.^[10] He was involved in planning "wartime operations directed against Palestine and Iraq, including parachuting Germans and Arab agents to foment attacks against the Jews in Palestine."^[26] He assisted German entry into North Africa, and particularly into Tunisia and Libya. His espionage network provided the Wehrmacht with a forty-eight hour warning of the Allied invasion of North Africa. The Wehrmacht, however, ignored this information, which turned out to be completely accurate. He intervened and protested to government authorities to prevent Jews from emigrating to Mandatory Palestine.^[27] There is persuasive evidence that he was aware of the of the Nazi Final Solution,.^[28][29] After the war ended he claimed that that he never knew about the extermination camps or the plans for genocide, that the so-called 'evidence' against him were forgeries by his Jewish enemies,and denied that he ever even met Eichman. He is still a controversial figure, both vilified and honored by different political factions in the contemporary Arab world.^[30]

Although the Mufti may be the most well-known Arab collaborator with Nazi Germany, there were other influential Arab and Muslim political leaders who made common cause with the Germans.Hassan al-Banna, an ally of the Mufti who founded the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928, openly acknowledged the common interests with National Socialist anti-Jewish and anti-Zionist politics, and actively collaborated with the Nazis:

Al-Banna was also fascinated by Hitler. Both hated Jews, democracy, and Western culture. When the war broke out, the Muslim Brothers promised they would rise up and help General Rommel and make sure to kill the Allies in Egypt. The Muslim Brothers representative of Palestine, the grand Mufti of Jerusalem (al-Husayni), worked for the Third Reich during the war and played a major role in the recruitment of the SS Arab division that will be known as the “SS Handjar.” The “Himmler to Mufti telegram” of November 1943 attested the alliance between Nazi Germany and the Mufti: “the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world.” The Muslim Brothers were not prosecuted after the war despite the participation of the Mufti and “freedom-loving Muslims” in the Holocaust. In the second half of the 1930s, the Muslim Brothers were strongly engaged to help the Palestinians. They raised and channelled funds to fight the Jews, and intensified contacts with religious leaders in Palestine. Banna was interned from 1941 to February 1942 due to his “critic” of the British presence. The secret apparatus of the Muslim Brothers bombed British clubs during the Second World War and assassinated Egyptian officials. In 1945, the Palestinian question became even more explosive, and the Muslim Brothers were organizing violent demonstrations against the Jews. Military training centers were set up to send volunteers in Palestine to fight “Zionism.”

[31]

Palestine [edit]

The Palestinian Arab and Nazi political leaders publically claimed common cause against International Jewry. The most significant practical effect of Nazi policy on Palestine between 1933 and 1938, however, was to radically increase the immigration rate of German and other European Jews and double the population of Palestinian Jews. The Mufti had sent messages to Berlin though Heinrich Wolf, the German Consul in Jerusalem endorsing the advent of the new regime as early as March, 1933, and was enthusiastic over the Nazi anti-Jewish policy, and particularly the anti-Jewish boycott in Germany. “[The Mufti and other sheikhs asked] only that German Jews not be sent to Palestine.“ ^[32]

Nazi policy for solving their Jewish Question until the end of 1937 emphasized motivating German Jews to emigrate from German territory. During this period the League of Nations Mandate for the establishment of a Jewish Homeland in Mandatory Palestine to be used as a refuge for persecuted Jews was still internationally recognized. The Gestapo and SS inconsistently cooperated with a variety of Jewish rescue organizations and efforts (e.g., Hanotaiah Ltd., the Anglo-Palestine Bank, the Temple Society Bank, HIAS, Joint Distribution Committee, Revisionist Zionists, and others), most notably in the Haavurah Agreements, to facilitate emigration to Mandatory Palestine.^[33]

Nora Levin wrote in 1968: "Up to the middle of 1938, Palestine had received one third of all the Jews who had emigrated from Germany since 1933 -- 50,000 out of a total of 150,000." ^[34]Edwin Black, benefitting from more modern scholarship, has written that 60,000 German Jews immigrated into Palestine between 1933 through 1936, bringing with them $100,000,000 dollars ($1.6 billion in 2009 dollars). This precipitous increase Jewish Palestinian population stimulated Palestinian Arab political resistance to continued Jewish immigration, and was a principal cause for the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, which in turn led to the British White Paper decision to abandon the League of Nations Mandate to establish a Jewish Home in Palestine. The resultant change in British policy effectively closed Palestine to most European Jews who suffered persecution throughout World War II. After 1938 the majority of Zionist organizations adhered to a strategy of ‘Fighting the White Paper as if there was not War, and fighting the War as if there was no White Paper.’ Zionists would smuggle Jews in Palestine whenever possible, regardless if this brought them into conflict with the British authorities. At the same time the Zionists and other Jews would ally themselves to the British battle against Germany and the Axis, even while the British blocked the escape of European Jews into Palestine.^[35]

In 1938 the German policy toward the Jewish Homeland in Palestine appears to have substantially changed, as indicated in this German Ministry of Foreign Affairs note from 10 March 1938:

The influx into Palestine of German capital in Jewish hands will facilitate the building up of a Jewish state, which runs counter to German interests; for this state, instead of absorbing world Jewry, will someday bring about a considerable increase in world Jewry's political power.

[36]

As noted in the above paragraph by Gen. Felmy, after the Kristalnacht pogroms in November 1938, most Jewish and Zionist organizations aligned with Britain and its allies to oppose Nazi Germany. After this time the organized assistance by the Gestapo to the Jewish organizations who transported European Jews to Palestine became much more sporadic, although bribery of individual Germans often help accomplish such operations even after official policy discouraged them.^[37]

The Mufti opposed all immigration of Jews into Palestine. The Mufti’s numerous letters appealing to various governmental authorities to prevent Jewish emigration to Palestine have been widely republished and cited as documentary evidence of his collaboration with Nazis and his participative support for their genocidal actions. For instance, in June 1943 the Mufti recommended to the Hungarian minister that it would be better to send Jews in Hungary to Concentration Camps in Poland rather than let them find asylum in Palestine (it's not entirely clear that the Mufti was aware of the Extermination Camps in Poland, e.g. Auschwitz, at this time):

I ask your Excellency to permit me to draw your attention to the necessity of preventing the Jews from leaving your country for Palestine, and if there are reasons which make their removal necessary, it would be indispensable and infinitely preferable to send them to other countries where they would find themselves under active control, for example, in Poland ….

[38]

Achcar quotes the Mufti’s memoirs about these efforts to influence the Axis powers to prevent emigration of Eastern European Jews to Palestine:

We combatted this enterprise by writing to Ribbentrop, Himmler, and Hitler, and, thereafter, the governments of Italy, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and other countries. We succeeded in foiling this initiative, a circumstance that led the Jews to make terrible accusations against me, in which they held me accountable for the liquidation of four hundred thousand Jews who were unable to emigrate to Palestine in this period. They added that I should be tried as a war criminal in Nurenberg.

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Achcar then notes that although the Mufti’s motivation to block Jewish emigration into Palestine:

…was certainly legitimate when it was addressed as an appeal to the British mandatory authorities …. It had no legitimacy whatsoever when addressed to Nazi authorities who had cooperated with the Zionists to send tens of thousands of German Jews to Palestine and then set out to exterminate the Jews of Europe. The Mufti was well aware that the European Jews were being wiped out; he never claimed the contrary. Nor, unlike some of his present-day admirers, did he play the ignoble, perverse, and stupid game of Holocaust denial…. His armour-propre would not allow him to justify himself to the Jews….gloating that the Jews had paid a much higher price than the Germans… he cites… : ”Their losses in the Second World War represent more than thirty percent of the total number of their people …. Statements like this, from a man who was well placed to know what the Nazis had done … constitute a powerful argument against Holocaust deniers. Husseini reports that Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler … told him in summer 1943 that the Germans had ‘already exterminated more than three million’ Jews: “I was astonished by this figure, as I had known nothing about the matter until then.” …. Thus. in 1943, Husseini knew about the genocide….Himmler … again in the summer of 1941 … let him in on a secret that … Germany would have an atomic bomb in three years’ time….

[40]

In November, 1943 (when he certainly was aware of the genocidal nature of the Nazi Final Solution) the Mufti said:

It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to … drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries….Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution [endgültige Lösung] for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world. ….

[41]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world

[OriZ 3,157]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3248081,00.html

Historical documents in Britain’s National Archives in London show that Nazi Germany attempted to ship arms to Palestinian forces in the 1930s.

A British Foreign Office report from 1939 reports of “news of a consignment of arms from Germany, sent via Turkey and addressed to Ibn Saud (king of Saudi Arabia), but really intended for the Palestine insurgents.” Britain’s chief military officer in Mandatory Palestine also noted reports “regarding import of German arms at intervals for some years now.”

British documents from the same period, and German records photographed by an American spy and sent to the British government, said that a number of Nazi agents were sent to Mandatory Palestine, in order to forge alliances with Palestinian leaders, and urge them to reject a partition of the land between the Jewish and Arab populations.

One Nazi agent, Adam Vollhardt, arrived in Palestine in July 1938, and was reported to have gained strong influence with Arab leaders, meeting with Palestinian leaders throughout 1938. Vollhardt held several meetings with leading Arab politicians and told them “that the Palestine question would be settled to the satisfaction of the Arabs within a few weeks,” adding that “it would be fatal to their (Palestinians’) cause if at this juncture they showed any signs of weakness or exhaustion.”

“Germany was interested in the settlement of the (Palestine) question on the basis of the Arabs obtaining their full demands,” Vollhardt was reported to say to Palestinian leaders, according to a report by the British War Office. Vollhardt also assured Arab leaders that “the Germans could continue to support the Palestinian Arab cause by means of propaganda.”

German documents photographed and sent to Whitehall by an American spy revealed that in 1937, German officials had calculated that “Palestine under Arab rule would… become one of the few countries where we could count on a strong sympathy for the new Germany.”

‘Arabs admire our Fuhrer’

“The Palestinian Arabs show on all levels a great sympathy for the new Germany and its Fuhrer, a sympathy whose value is particularly

high as it is based on a purely ideological foundation,” a Nazi official in Palestine wrote in a letter to Berlin in 1937. He added: “Most important for the sympathies which Arabs now feel towards Germany is their admiration for our Fuhrer, especially during the unrests, I often had an opportunity to see how far these sympathies extend. When faced with a dangerous behaviour of an Arab mass, when one said that one was German, this was already generally a free pass.”

A second Nazi agent, Dr. Franz Reichart, was reported to be actively working with Palestinian Arabs by the British Criminal Investigation Division “to help coordinate Arab and German propaganda.” Reichart was also head of the German Telegraphic Agency in Jerusalem.

German records show that the Nazis viewed the establishment of a Jewish state with great concern. A 1937 report from German General Consulate in Palestine said: “The formation of a Jewish state… is not in Germany’s interest because a (Jewish) Palestinian state would create additional national power bases for international Jewry such as for example the Vatican State for political Catholicism or Moscow for the Communists. Therefore, there is a German interest in strengthening the Arabs as a counter weight against such possible power growth of the Jews.”

Jewish refugees abandoned

The records also show that the news of increased Nazi-Arab cooperation panicked the British government, and caused it to cancel a plan in 1938 to bring to Palestine 20,000 German Jewish refugees, half of them children, facing danger from the Nazis.

Documents show that after deciding that the move would upset Arab opinion, Britain decided to abandon the Jewish refugees to their fate.

“His Majesty’s Government asked His Majesty’s Representatives in Cairo, Baghdad and Jeddah whether so far as they could judge, feelings in Egypt, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia against the admission of, say 5,000 Jewish children for adoption… would be so strong as to lead to a refusal to send representatives to the London discussions. All three replies were strongly against the proposal, which was not proceeded with,” a Foreign Office report said.

“If war were to break out, no trouble that the Jews could occasion us, in Palestine or elsewhere, could weigh for a moment against the importance of winning Muslim opinion to our side,” Britain’s Minister for Coordination of Defence, Lord Chatfield, told the British cabinet in 1939, shortly before Britain reversed its decision to partition its mandate, promising instead all of the land to the Palestinian Arabs.

To those who don't know, the league of nations confirmed the mandate for palestine in 1922, long before the UN resolution, in which a jewish state could have included what is now the west bank and gaza as well. That's not to say that there shouldn't be a historical compromise on both sides, but, history begins long before 1948...

The document was based on the principles contained in Article 22 of the draft Covenant of the League of Nations and the San Remo Resolution of 25 April 1920 by the principal Allied and associated powers after the First World War.^[1] The mandate formalised British rule in the southern part of Ottoman Syriafrom 1923–1948.

The formal objective of the League of Nations Mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, "until such time as they are able to stand alone."^[5] The mandate document formalised the division of the British protectorates - Palestine, to include a national home for the Jewish people, under direct British rule, and Transjordan, an Emirate governed semi-autonomously from Britain under the rule of the Hashemite family.^[1]

The open negotiations began at the Paris Peace Conference, continued at the Conference of London and took definite shape only after the San Remo conference in April 1920. There the Allied Supreme Council granted the mandates for Palestine and Mesopotamia to Britain,^[19] and those for Syria and Lebanon to France. In August 1920, this was officially acknowledged in the Treaty of Sèvres. Both Zionist and Arab representatives attended the conference, where they signed the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement.^[24] The agreement was never implemented.

The San Remo conference^[25] assigned the mandate for Palestine to the United Kingdom under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations. The Allies also decided to make the UK responsible for putting into effect its own Balfour Declaration of 1917.

The preamble of the mandate document declared:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the

declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917

, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a

national home for the Jewish people

, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

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The British Foreign Secretary, Lord Curzon, together with the Italian and French governments rejected early drafts of the mandate because they had contained a passage which read: "Recognizing, moreover, the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and the claim which this gives them to reconstitute it their national home..."

The Palestine Committee set up by the Foreign Office recommended that the reference to 'the claim' be omitted. The Allies had already noted the historical connection in the Treaty of Sèvres, but they had not acknowledged a legal claim. Lord Balfour suggested an alternative which was accepted:

Whereas recognition has thereby [i.e. by the Treaty of Sèvres] been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine, and to the grounds for reconstituting their National Home in that country ...

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The Vatican, the Italian, and the French governments continued to press their own legal claims on the basis of the former Protectorate of the Holy See and the French Protectorate of Jerusalem. The idea of an International Commission to resolve claims on the Holy Places had been formalised in Article 95 of the Treaty of Sèvres, and taken up again in article 14 of the Palestinian Mandate. Negotiations concerning the formation and the role of the commission were partly responsible for the delay in ratifying the mandate. The UK assumed responsibility for the Holy Places under Article 13 of the mandate. However, it never created the Commission on Holy Places to resolve the other claims in accordance with Article 14 of the mandate.^[30]

The High Commissioner established the authority of the Orthodox Rabbinate over the members of the Jewish community and retained a modified version of the old Ottoman Millet system. Formal recognition was extended to eleven religious communities, which did not include the non-Orthodox Jewish or Protestant Christian denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

Ever ask yourself why during the 30 year period - between 1917 to 1947 - thousands of Jews throughout the world woke up one morning and decided to leave their homes and go to Palestine? The majority did this because they heard that a future national home for the Jewish people was being established in Palestine, on the basis of the League of Nations obligation under the “Mandate for Palestine” document. The “Mandate for Palestine,” an historical League of Nations document, laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in western Palestine, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an entitlement unaltered in international law. The “Mandate for Palestine” was not a naive vision briefly embraced by the international community. Fifty-one member countries – the entire League of Nations – unanimously declared on July 24, 1922:

“Whereas recognition has been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.”

It is important to point out that political rights to self-determination as a polity for Arabs were guaranteed by the same League of Nations in four other mandates – in Lebanon and Syria (The French Mandate), Iraq, and later Trans-Jordan [The British Mandate].

The “Mandate for Palestine,” an historical League of Nations document, laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in western Palestine, a 10,000-square-miles³ area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

The legally binding document was conferred on April 24, 1920 at the San Remo Conference, and its terms outlined in the Treaty of Sèvres on August 10, 1920. The Mandate’s terms were finalized and unanimously approved on July 24, 1922, by the Council of the League of Nations, which was comprised at that time of 51 countries,⁴ and became operational on September 29, 1923.⁵

The “Mandate for Palestine” was not a naive vision briefly embraced by the international community in blissful unawareness of Arab opposition to the very notion of Jewish historical rights in Palestine. The Mandate weathered the test of time: On April 18, 1946, when the League of Nations was dissolved and its assets and duties transferred to the United Nations, the international community, in essence, reaffirmed the validity of this international accord and reconfirmed that the terms for a Jewish National Home were the will of the international community, a “sacred trust” – despite the fact that by then it was patently clear that the Arabs opposed a Jewish National Home, no matter what the form.

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm

A homeland for the Jewish people was an idea that rose to the fore in the 19th century in the wake of growing anti-Semitismand Jewish assimilation, with many competing proposals considered. Jewish emancipation in Europe paved the way for two ideological solutions to the Jewish Question: cultural assimilation, as envisaged by Moses Mendelssohn, and Zionism, promoted by Theodore Herzl.^[1] In the late 19th century, Herzl set out his vision of a Jewish state and homeland for the Jewish people in his book Der Judenstaat. Herzl was later hailed as the founding father of the State of Israel.^[2][3][4] In the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the United Kingdom became the first world power to endorse the establishment in Palestine of a "national home for the Jewish people." The British government confirmed this commitment by accepting the British Mandate for Palestine in 1922. In 1948, the State of Israel was established as a Jewish state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_home_for_the_Jewish_people

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Not exactly accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world

You need to update your hasbara - the Grand Mufti story went stale a long time ago. Even your Wiki link says right at the top:

(This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.

This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. (October 2010)

This article may contain original research. (January 2011)

This is supposed to be a clue to you that you probably ought to double-check.

In fact, I've answered this same erroneous claim repeatedly on this forum, so, to recap:

Haj Amin al-Husseini was sentenced to 10 years in prison by the British for inciting riots in 1920. He was given amnesty by the High Commissioner of Palestine, a British Jew named Herbert Samuel, who then appointed him as Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921. Samuel was also responsible for creating the Supreme Muslim Council, which al-Husseini was appointed to lead in 1922. (See Philip Mattar, The Mufti of Jerusalem: Al-Hajj Amin al Husayni and the Palestinian National Movement, Columbia University Press, 1988, p. 25.)

He was not elected, and the Palestinians had no say in his appointment to the Supreme Muslim Council or the Arab Higher Committee.

The British eventually declared the Arab Higher Committee illegal and al-Husseini lost his presidency of the Supreme Muslim Council and went into exile in Syria. He never returned to Palestine.

By 1941, when he met Hitler, he was no longer the Mufti of Jerusalem and no longer even an appointed official representative of the Palestinian people. The volunteer Muslim forces he controlled were not Palestinian and they did not operate in Palestine.

Here's an undeniably Zionist source that will confirm all of that:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/mufti.html

So - the Palestinians did NOT support the Nazis. The Grand Mufti made an abortive attempt to enlist Hitler’s aid in ousting the British from Palestine, but it came to nothing.

Even before he was kicked out of Palestine, Husseini had already been discredited in the Arab world. According to US military historian Antonio J. Muniz, only 6,300 soldiers from Arab countries passed through German military organizations - 1,300 from Palestine, Syria and Iraq, the rest from North Africa.

In contrast, the British Army was able to recruit some 9000 Arab soldiers from Palestine alone - and another 250,000 North African troops served in the French Army of Liberation (and made up the majority of its casualties.)

For genuine Nazi collaborators and antisemites, you need to take a look at your own fascist Zionist leaders:

“If I knew that it was possible to save all the children in Germany by transporting them to England, but only half of them by transporting them to Palestine, I would choose the second because we face not only the reckoning of those children, but the historical reckoning of the Jewish people.”

- David Ben-Gurion

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/21/books/israel-was-everthing.html

Ben-Gurion was worried that various countries might open their doors to Jewish refugees from Germany, which he saw as a threat to his project to take over Palestine, and warned “Zionism is in danger.”

“Each country can absorb only a limited number of Jews, if she doesn’t want disorders in her stomach. Germany already has too many Jews”

- Chaim Weizmann, 1912

"IZL in Israel," a right-wing Zionist organization, attempted to join forces wtih the Nazis on the basis of what it called a "collusion of interests." One of their members was terrorist Avraham Stern (founder of LEHI.) Another member was terrorist Yitzhak Shamir, who went on to become Prime Minister of Israel.

These are just a few examples.... there are more.

Gotta do some stuff now, but I'll be back later to deal with the rest of the steaming pile of horsesh!t you posted.

Edited May 18, 2013 by Falastin_Qalbi

[sandinista! 1,816]

whatever. invented nazi collaborations trump real ones if the invented ones involve arabs and the real ones are also apartheid leaders!

When the South African prime minister John Vorster made a state visit to Israel in April 1976, it began with a tour of Yad Vashem, Israel's major Holocaust memorial, where the late Yitzhak Rabin invited the onetime Nazi collaborator, unabashed racist and white supremacist to pay homage to Jews murdered in the Holocaust.

Compared, say, to routine outcries from organized Jewry over often even mild whiffs of Holocaust controversy, no less remarkable was the bland equanimity both Israeli and diaspora Jews also displayed toward the Vorster visit.

Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi recalls [The Israeli Connection, Random House: Toronto, 1987, p.x]:

"For most Israelis, the Vorster visit was just another state visit by a foreign leader. It did not draw much attention. Most Israelis did not even remember his name, and did not see anything unusual, much less surreal in the scene [an old Nazi diehard invited to 'mourn' the victims at a Holocaust memorial]: Vorster was just another visiting dignitary being treated to the usual routine."

The old Nazi collaborator was graciously welcomed by his hosts. The South African leader left Israel four days later -- after signing a number of friendship treaties between the Jewish state and South Africa's racist, apartheid regime. A denouement Leslie and Andrew Cockburn describe in Dangerous Liaison [stoddart Publishing: Toronto, 1991, pp. 299 - 300]:

"The old Nazi sympathizer came away with bilateral agreements for commercial, military, and nuclear cooperation that would become the basis for future relations between the two countries."

Leaving unmentioned Vorster's wartime internment for supporting Germany, Israel's prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, hailed the South African premier as a force for freedom and made no mention of Vorster's past as he toured the Jerusalem memorial to the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis. At a state banquet, Rabin toasted "the ideals shared by Israel and South Africa: the hopes for justice and peaceful coexistence". Both countries, he said, faced "foreign-inspired instability and recklessness".

http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/event.php?eid=1134

[sandinista! 1,816]

Never again? Elderly Palestinian women called whores on Yad Vashem tour, while racism explodes across Israel

This week, a group of elderly Palestinian women were escorted to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes Remembrance musuem to learn about the Jewish genocide in Europe. At the entrance of the museum, they were surrounded by a group of Jewish Israeli youth who recognized them as Arabs. Sharmouta! the young Israelis shouted at them again and again, using the Arabic slang term for whores, or sluts.

The Palestinians had been invited to attend a tour arranged by the Israeli Bereaved Families Forum, an organization founded by an Israeli whose son was killed in combat by Palestinians. They were joined by a group of Jewish Israeli women who, like them, had lost family members to violence related to the conflict. Presumably, both parties went on the tour in good faith, hoping to gain insight into the suffering of women on the other side of the conflict.

Unfortunately, the Palestinian members (who unlike the Israelis live under occupation and almost certainly had to obtain special permits just to go to Yad Vashem) learned an unusual lesson of the Holocaust: A society that places the Holocaust at the center of its historical narrative that stops traffic for two minutes each year on the national holiday known as Yom HaShoah could also raise up a generation of little fascists goose-stepping into the future full of irrational hatred.

...

Indeed, the only image of a Palestinian in all of Yad Vashem (at least that I am aware of) is of the Grand Mufti Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, who was forced by the British to flee to Germany, where he became a (not very successful) Nazi collaborator. In recent years, the Mufti has become a key fixture of Israeli propaganda efforts against the Palestinians. As such, a photo is featured prominently on a wall in Yad Vashem depicting him sig heiling a group of Nazi troops. However, there is no mention anywhere in Yad Vashem of the 9000 Palestinian Arabs the British recruited to fight the Nazis, or of the 233,000 North African volunteers who fought and died while battling the Nazis in the French Liberation Army (and whose heroic efforts were dramatized in the excellent film, Days of Glory).

According to Peter Novick, the author of The Holocaust in American Life, though the Mufti played no significant part in the Holocaust, he plays a starring role in Yad Vashems Encyclopedia of the Holocaust. The article on the Mufti is more than twice as long as the articles on Goebbels and Goring, longer than the articles on Himmler and Heydrich combined, longer than the article on Eichmann of all the biographical articles, it is exceeded in length, but only slightly, by the entry for Hitler. [Novick, p. 158]

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/12/never-again-elderly-palestinian-women-called-whores-on-yad-vashem-tour-while-racism-explodes-across-israel.html

smdh

[Karee 4,191]

Unfortunately, the Palestinian members (who unlike the Israelis live under occupation and almost certainly had to obtain special permits just to go to Yad Vashem) learned an unusual lesson of the Holocaust: A society that places the Holocaust at the center of its historical narrative that stops traffic for two minutes each year on the national holiday known as Yom HaShoah could also raise up a generation of little fascists goose-stepping into the future full of irrational hatred.

That right there sums it up. You'd think a people that went through something like the holocaust would have a problem kicking people out of their houses and squeezing people off their land to make room for their own folks. Apparently not. It's govt. sponsored ethnic cleansing with the full faith and support (financially and militarily) of the U.S. govt. The Israeli govt. is smart. They're not taking over all that land and kicking people out en masse. They're doing it slowly and methodically little by little hoping no one will will notice or care, because after all they are a bunch of Muslim nut terrorists hell bent on killing Jewish and American babies. At least that's the narrative they want you to hear. In reality, it has nothing to do with religion. It's basically one govt. making a certain peoples lives so miserable, they hope they'll finally get up and leave and hiding behind some $hit that happened in Europe in the 30s and 40s.

Most of the time right and wrong are not black and white. In this case, it is black and white. Anyone that can't see what's happening there either doesn't want to see it, doesn't give a ####, or is blind.

Ohh and before someone starts labeling me as favoring one religion or another, I think all religion is a waste of time and does more harm than good. This has nothing to do with religion. It is simply one governments greed for more land.

/rant

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I'm surprised they don't just go ahead and accuse the Palestinians of running the Third Reich from Palestine....

Yet another example of why Zionism is a dangerous mental illness....

[OriZ 3,157]

I love how Ben Gurion's remarks always get taken out of context...

Anyhow, about the rest of the nonsense that was said here, this is just one example of the unbearable life before the 6 day war...I mean the only reason for that war or any other war by Israel is an intent to ethnic cleanse right?

Prior to Six Day War, Jewish residents of Jerusalem were routinely targeted by snipers and denied access to holy shrines. Yet since Jerusalem’s reunification, Jews from around the world come to pray at the Western Wall.

The Musrara neighborhood, located near the former ‘no-man-zone’ between Israel and Jordan prior to the Six Day War, suffered immensely before the reunification of the Holy City in the Wake of Israel’s miraculous victory in 1967. Avi Elzam, a long time resident of the neighborhood, recalled that it was very difficult to live in a divided Jerusalem. “We used to have a very regular Shabbat schedule,” he recalls. “The morning would start with an encounter with the Arab Legion snipers. They shot at us out of sheer boredom.”

Ayala Sabbag, a former resident, asserted, “We didn’t have any shelter. Whenever they started to shoot, my mother would gather all her 11 children and carry the youngest ones up the street to the building of the Voice of Israel [radio station] where we would hide ourselves. The Voice of Israel’s building was in range of the shots, but at least they had a shelter inside.” She continued, “The fire from the Jordanian soldiers was a part of our everyday life in Musrara. Their favorite time was on Shabbat mornings, I don’t know why, perhaps because we were all at home or in the yards down on Rehov Ayin-Het , so close to them. They managed to kill quite a few.”

In the days leading up to the Six Day War, the atmosphere was very tense in Jerusalem. According to Abraham Rabinovich, a reporter who arrived in Jerusalem five days before the Six Day War began, “2,000 volunteers turned out each day to dig trenches in areas where there were no shelters. Hundreds were yeshiva students. […] The woman who normally gave advice on etiquette on Israel Radio’s program for housewives treated the security crisis as sensibly as she handled other social complications. She advised mothers to let their school-age children play where they usually did and to explain to them that if the siren sounded they should go to the nearest shelter where an “auntie” would look after them. The listeners would, of course, be “aunties” to any child that came into their shelters. Small children, she advised, had best be kept in sight.”

At first, Israel sought to avoid fighting on the Jordanian front and offered an olive branch to the Hashemite Kingdom to stay out of the fighting. But, the King could not withstand the domestic pressure to join the war in addition to the defense pact with Egypt made neutrality impossible. Within the Holy City, the situation was frightening for the city’s residents, who lived in very close proximity to the Jordanian forces.

Yoske Schwartz was one of the brave Israeli soldiers who fought to defend Jewish Jerusalem and to reunite the Holy City. He recalls, “It was the night of June 5, and it was very, very dark. I remember the ambulances were blaring their sirens as they transported people to hospitals. We drove in total darkness, and I could only see my friends when something would explode outside. We had no idea where we were. Some of us had never even been to Jerusalem before.” He continued, “Suddenly the buses stopped, and our commander said to us ‘Put your helmets on, put your magazines in your guns and get yourselves ready, because in a few minutes you’ll be fighting.’ We started to laugh, and he didn’t understand why, and we said, ‘Commander, we learned how to fight in the Sinai desert, we don’t even know where we are right now.’ He said to us, ‘You’re in Jerusalem, on a street called Shmuel Hanavi, and as soon as we get to the corner of Shimon Hatzadik you’re going to get off the buses very quietly and start fighting.”

Schwartz was then sent to the Old City, where he was assigned the task of liberating the Western Wall. The fighting was fierce. According to Schwartz, “From where we were, we could see Ammunition Hill. We could see our people advancing every time a grenade exploded, and we could hear their shouts and screams, and then as quickly as they had left a flow of them came back, all of them on stretchers. The Jordanians fought to the death. We fought for many hours, and many died.” In the end, Schwartz did manage to make it to the Western Wall, yet it came at an enormous humanitarian cost. Out of 1,200 paratroopers who fought for Jerusalem, only 400 lived. 183 Israeli soldiers perished while liberating Jerusalem, of whom 96 were paratroopers.

When Israel did reunite Jerusalem, the Jewish community was ecstatic! A dream that the Jewish people had for over 2,000 years of living in a horrible Diaspora was finally fulfilled. Jews across Israel flocked to the newly liberated Jerusalem, in order to pray at the Western Wall which had been denied to them during the Jordanian occupation of the Old City. Pnina Usherovitz was one of the many Jews who journeyed to Jerusalem in the wake of the Six Day War to visit the Western Wall.

“I have, thank G-d, been privileged many times since to get to the “Kotel” to pray.

I have been there in the heat of mid-summer, in the cold of winter, in rain and in spring but I have never gone without remembering the first time.

[…] I lean my head on those cool, huge, ancient and rough stones that are smoothed over by the years and tears slide down my face and my soul relaxes. The tears are from gratitude that yes, once more I have been allowed to come close to the “Kotel” to rest and renew and hold on while I pray.”

http://unitedwithisrael.org/stories-of-jerusalem-from-the-six-day-war/

[Boiler 46,156]

What's wrong with the old anti Semitism?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I love how Ben Gurion's remarks always get taken out of context...

Anyhow, about the rest of the nonsense that was said here, this is just one example of the unbearable life before the 6 day war...I mean the only reason for that war or any other war by Israel is an intent to ethnic cleanse right?

http://unitedwithisrael.org/stories-of-jerusalem-from-the-six-day-war/

And now you revert to yet another United With Israel propaganda piece, which repeats ridiculous fairy tales like "Israel's miraculous victory in 1948." What a bunch of hooey.

Since you don't seem to have a clue, let me clue you in.

Musrara was a Christian Palestinian neighborhood whose residents were expelled by Zionist forces in 1948-1949 and refused the right to return to their homes. First, Zionist criminals looted their movable property.

Jewish looters caught on camera, Musrara, Palestine 1948

Then, within months of the end of the war, the nascent State of Israel declared their homes “absentee property” and moved a bunch of Jewish squatters into them.

Musrara was right on the line between the Israeli and Jordanian forces, and (as usual) the Jews who were placed on the front lines were not Ashkenazi Jews from Europe, but the more "expendable" second-class Mizrahi Jews from Arab lands - essentially used as dogfaces to stop the bullets. When are you going to learn that illegal settlers who occupy other people's property in foreign territory are subject to reprisals from the owners ?

After 1967, when Israel invaded and illegally occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, it began transferring these expendable Arab Jews out of the neighborhood, and replacing them with Ashkenazis. Homot Shalem (a fanatical right-wing settler group that breaks up Palestinian communities in East Jerusalem by inserting settler trash in the middle of them) has been heavily involved in this operation.

There is a reason you cling to sources like United With Israel. It's because you can't face the truth.

[OriZ 3,157]

Actually I have a clue. You neglegted to mention that even before Israeli statehood, there were a few Jewish families living in the neighborhood as well. During the war of independence, the Arabs fled and the city became divided. Part of it was in Israel and part of it was in Jordan. It was a ceasefire agreement with maps and everything, so your attempts to justify the Jordanian snipers sniping at civilians do not work here...

[Boiler 46,156]

The Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries, often simply cited as Jewish exodus from Arab countries (Arabic:التهجير الجماعي لليهود من الدول العربية والإسلامية‎ at-tahjīr al-jamāʻī lil-yahūd min ad-duwal al-ʻArabīyah wal-Islāmīyah) was a mass departure, flight^[1] and expulsion of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Muslim countries, from 1948 until the early 1970s.

Though Jewish migration from Middle Eastern and North African communities began in the late 19th century and Jews began leaving some Arab countries in the 1930s and early 1940s, it did not become significant until the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. From the onset of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951 and amounted for 56% of the total immigration to the newly founded State of Israel.^[2] 600,000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had reached Israel by 1972.^[3][4][5] By the Yom Kippur War of 1973, most of the Jewish communities throughout the Arab World, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan, were practically non-existent.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Good thing that the reality is all Muslims, which of course includes all Palestinians, have nothing but warmth in their hearts and peace on their minds in regards to Israel, and every Jewish person in the world, and that the word is getting out to all of the world.

Edited May 19, 2013 by ready4ONE