State pushes to keep Trayvon Martin's past out of George Zimmerman trial

[Karee 4,191]

What happened to it?

I got in a pi$$ing match with another member and took my marbles and went home. Told them to delete it. They just de-activated it whatever that means.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

So that means he's a murderer?

He killed an unarmed teen. What would you call it?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

okay, final warning. you guys either stay on topic or get thread banned. you might think you're being clever by deliberately killing a thread, but don't think it goes unnoticed by the powers that be. you've been warned.

[Karee 4,191]

okay, final warning. you guys either stay on topic or get thread banned. you might think you're being clever by deliberately killing a thread, but don't think it goes unnoticed by the powers that be. you've been warned.

Quit yer crying.

[GandD 5,966]

He killed an unarmed teen. What would you call it?

If a person with a gun shoots a person with a gun, it isn't always a murder. Circumstances do count for something.

okay, final warning. you guys either stay on topic or get thread banned. you might think you're being clever by deliberately killing a thread, but don't think it goes unnoticed by the powers that be. you've been warned.

Really? Geez

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

If a person with a gun shoots a person with a gun, it isn't always a murder. Circumstances do count for something.

The circumstances are the victim was a teen and unarmed.

[Harsh_77 718]

GZ worked hard, against the advice of the 911 dispatcher, to create the confrontation. GZ clearly knew that he carried a gun yet got close enough to TM to get his lights punched.

If GZ had a right to defend himself so did TM, and to all but the feeble minded, a teen with Skittles and bottle of pop confronted by an armed adult would always be seen as the person with the best claim to self defense.

GZ caused the altercation. The death of TM is his responsibility. GZ is getting his day in court but the fact is that TM is dead due to GZ's piss poor judgment and actions.

GZ could have not followed the dispatchers instruction but it would depend on all who threw the punch first, it could very well be case of self-defense.

The circumstances are the victim was a teen and unarmed.

Teen does not mean he could not have attacked GZ.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

it would depend on all who threw the punch first, it could very well be case of self-defense.

If I throw the first punch and break your nose, that does not mean you can shoot me if I am unarmed. There is the concept of "reasonable force" that must be overcome in order for it to be justifiable homicide under a claim of self-defense.

[Karee 4,191]

If I throw the first punch and break your nose, that does not mean you can shoot me if I am unarmed. There is the concept of "reasonable force" that must be overcome in order for it to be justifiable homicide under a claim of self-defense.

Is that the requirement under the "stand your ground" statute? I don't think it requires the other person to be armed before you use deadly force. I don't know for sure.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Is that the requirement under the "stand your ground" statute? I don't think it requires the other person to be armed before you use deadly force. I don't know for sure.

Zimmerman already waived a judicial hearing based on stand your ground.

[GandD 5,966]

If I throw the first punch and break your nose, that does not mean you can shoot me if I am unarmed. There is the concept of "reasonable force" that must be overcome in order for it to be justifiable homicide under a claim of self-defense.

People have been beat to death. Just because a guy doesn't have a lethal weapon doesn't mean your life can't be in danger.

[Harsh_77 718]

If I throw the first punch and break your nose, that does not mean you can shoot me if I am unarmed. There is the concept of "reasonable force" that must be overcome in order for it to be justifiable homicide under a claim of self-defense.

If you throw first punch and break my nose and if I fear for my life, yes I can shoot you.

Thats called self defense.

[Karee 4,191]

Zimmerman already waived a judicial hearing based on stand your ground.

So is he just claiming straight self-defense now? You'd think I'd know this case inside and out by now, after reading pages and pages about it here on VJ.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

So is he just claiming straight self-defense now? You'd think I'd know this case inside and out by now, after reading pages and pages about it here on VJ.

Yes, and that is an affirmative defense, which means Z has to testify, and can be cross-examined. In short, he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

was the girlfriend?

I don't think so.