Lifting condition after divorced

[Sweetgirl 0]

For you dmartmar, I just wanna let you know that my marriage with my ex husband is not a FRAUD..

Things happen in a relationship and sometimes you cannot fix it! We are friends now..

Actually who you -really- wanna let know that your marriage was not a Fraud would be the USCIS. They are the ones who will be interested in this the most, and the only ones who matter. We're just casual bystanders and observers... our opinion doesn't matter a rat's-@ss, frankly, about it.

Yeah "things" sure happen in a relationship. I guess things sure happened in your new relationship as well.

:heh:

I'm going to assume you're already divorced since you can't marry your new BF *and father of your baby, I assume* unless you've divorced the old one.

You can file for your LPR (10 year green card) with a waiver, and your divorce decree. As dmartmar pointed out, if your ex-husband did raise red flags with the USCIS, they might investigate your case a bit deeper.

It's up to you to prove to the USCIS that you entered the first marriage in "good faith". That's between you and the USCIS, not you and your ex-, you and dmartmar, you and your new bf/husband/poppa or anyone else.

-- Dan

Hi Dan,

I;ve recently discovered a very interesting article in the one of the Daily News newspapers. I've read that artice about 3 weeks ago and was gonna post it in this forum but i was very busy with my job and didn thave time to get to this forum and anyways i have lost that newspaper and couldn't find it anymore.

The common sense of that article was about the Immigration Regulations.

It was said that the INS is not after those who are entering the marriage in their favor of getting something....I mean like someone marries someone and then getting divorced after getting certain types of papers.I guess the thing is that most of these marriages are real ., just the couples dont know each other very well before the marriage and some of these marriages dont work out ., thus divorce occur and that is not considered as a fraud. I know that kind of divorces happen even among the American to American Marriages a lot.

Anyways, The INS is after Only the multiple rings., that means that they are after th eReal Marriage Fraud like the person is married to multiple people at the same time.

Unfortunately i cant interpret the information excactly as it was written in that article as it was written in a very sophisticated proffesional manner., but that was a truly sense of it.

Best wishes.

Sincerely.

[dmartmar 1]

It was said that the INS is not after those who are entering the marriage in their favor of getting something....I mean like someone marries someone and then getting divorced after getting certain types of papers.I guess the thing is that most of these marriages are real ., just the couples dont know each other very well before the marriage and some of these marriages dont work out ., thus divorce occur and that is not considered as a fraud. I know that kind of divorces happen even among the American to American Marriages a lot.

Getting married is the easy part and if you think about it, does nothing to prove its validity.

It is the marriage's length, what both partners accomplished throughout, etc. that counts.

And when it comes to INS marriages, what the immigrant does after divorce really plays a huge part as well.

[Flames9_RN 358]

Again off topic. Read an article last week in the Washington Post. They broke up an illegal marriage ring that was taking place at the ArlingtonCourt house. Guess the admin people tipped off the police. They foundd it odd that these couples in "love" did not sit by each other and made silly spelling errors onthe application. Turns out this illegal operation had been going on for a very long time. Not sure whats going to happen to these people, but the article did say that deportation was a strong possibility. Was an interesting read.

[blah0323 0]

Unless I'm missing something, is it reasonable/possible to marry before lifting of conditions take place?? Wouldn't that appear that you are just looking for a way to remain in the states.

And not trying to be ugly or anything, but have you laid down your baggage from the previous marriage before jumping into another relationship? I don't think the baby is an excuse to marry. Just my 2 cents

[Yodrak 7]

blah,

Guess it depends on the reader's own notions about things. From my particularly perverse perspective it appears that she is just looking for a way to get laid.

Yodrak

Unless I'm missing something, is it reasonable/possible to marry before lifting of conditions take place?? Wouldn't that appear that you are just looking for a way to remain in the states.

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[Sweetgirl 0]

Again off topic. Read an article last week in the Washington Post. They broke up an illegal marriage ring that was taking place at the ArlingtonCourt house. Guess the admin people tipped off the police. They foundd it odd that these couples in "love" did not sit by each other and made silly spelling errors onthe application. Turns out this illegal operation had been going on for a very long time. Not sure whats going to happen to these people, but the article did say that deportation was a strong possibility. Was an interesting read.

Hi!

The situation you've described is an obvious Fraud as well as the couples seems even didnt know each other.

Maybe the INS is gonna go after these weardows too. ., but in the article i've read was clearly stated that the INS is only after the Multiple rings or another words More then One marriage at the same time.

They are not gonna go after those like for example if you;ve read the posts about Dmartmars story and Pursuede member story and others broken hurts .....posted in this forum...

So the INS is not gonna investigate the cases of their wifes as thats not a Fraud.

Best wishes.

Sincerely.

[Sweetgirl 0]

Unless I'm missing something, is it reasonable/possible to marry before lifting of conditions take place?? Wouldn't that appear that you are just looking for a way to remain in the states.

Hi! Listen who really cares about that? Let all of us be honest that all of you no matter how much you are inlove with your second American Citizen half or whatever...all of you maybe 98% like the United States and wanna stay in this country and there is nothing bad about it. Just admit it.

She is getting married second time ., she found her real love and the upcoming baby is the prove of their love.

Well,the first marriage just didnt work out and there a lots of stories posted and ve been told that the most of the marriages like that are not gonna last long because of luck of couples knowledges and communication and etc.... Who's fault is that? Noones fault. That happens on the regular day to day bases and even with the American to American marriages,.though more rarely as the American couples were comunicating with each other for a long time before to get married.

My advice to American Citizens for avoiding the future problems and issues:

Just be logical and look at the situation clearly.

Watch who you are trying to marry to.

1)If you are and Ugly A.Citizen and he or she loks like a model dont ever marry them unless you wanna be hurt ,as the marriage gonna fail.

That never gonna last forever. Or......

2) If you are much older like from 25 years older A.citizen then your foreign fiancee dont expect your future wife or husband to stay with you forewer as this kind of marriage gonna fail at some point as well becuase of your age difference or there are alots of other examples....

I am not trying to discriminate here really., sorry., but its better to know the truth then later be left with

the broken hurt.

Just look at the situation logically .

Best wishes.

Sincerely.

[dmartmar 1]

Hi! Look, who really cares about all of that? Let us all be honest in that no matter how much in-love you are with your American Citizen second-half or whatever, maybe 98% like the United States too much and wanna stay in this country. There is nothing bad about that, just admit it.

Amen to that!

Now if that 98% would only admit it BEFORE getting married...

Edited November 24, 2006 by dmartmar

[blah0323 0]

Unless I'm missing something, is it reasonable/possible to marry before lifting of conditions take place?? Wouldn't that appear that you are just looking for a way to remain in the states.

Hi! Listen who really cares about that? Let all of us be honest that all of you no matter how much you are inlove with your second American Citizen half or whatever...all of you maybe 98% like the United States and wanna stay in this country and there is nothing bad about it. Just admit it.

She is getting married second time ., she found her real love and the upcoming baby is the prove of their love.

Well,the first marriage just didnt work out and there a lots of stories posted and ve been told that the most of the marriages like that are not gonna last long because of luck of couples knowledges and communication and etc....

I think it does matter!!! What it says is that you immediately went looking for another person to marry or you were the one who messed up the first marriage. I'm not concerned with rather or not it is to stay, you probably can, I would think. But to me a RED flag would be up if you show up lifting conditions and stating you have since re-married and your pregnant by the new hubby. That is what I'm looking at. What is the rush of 2nd marriage anyway??? Not the baby of course because that would have been thought of before hand. Wouldn't you think??? Now let's really be honest.... I will just wait to see what is the end results of the lifting of conditions....

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

I'm in the 2 percent then that would be more than happy to go back home (although I like it here a bit better now).

I don't that USCIS cares whether or not she remarried again, just that the first marriage was in good faith.

[PurrSuede 0]

Again off topic. Read an article last week in the Washington Post. They broke up an illegal marriage ring that was taking place at the ArlingtonCourt house. Guess the admin people tipped off the police. They foundd it odd that these couples in "love" did not sit by each other and made silly spelling errors onthe application. Turns out this illegal operation had been going on for a very long time. Not sure whats going to happen to these people, but the article did say that deportation was a strong possibility. Was an interesting read.

Hi!

The situation you've described is an obvious Fraud as well as the couples seems even didnt know each other.

Maybe the INS is gonna go after these weardows too. ., but in the article i've read was clearly stated that the INS is only after the Multiple rings or another words More then One marriage at the same time.

They are not gonna go after those like for example if you;ve read the posts about Dmartmars story and Pursuede member story and others broken hurts .....posted in this forum...

So the INS is not gonna investigate the cases of their wifes as thats not a Fraud.

Best wishes.

Sincerely.

Sweetgirl, I appreciate your info, however, unfortunately I can't comment on an article I haven't seen, that you referenced...

I did get the sense however that this could mean they are ACTIVELY trying to track down these fraudulent marriage rings. The occasional case, such as mine, they don't have to go out using their resources chasing an individual... after all, the individual eventually has to come to them, hmmmmm??

And as I've mentioned in my situation, my ex- offered me cash payments in return for fraudulent documentation. I reported that to the USCIS. I would find it hard to believe that the USCIS would just not care, considering the warning that is at the bottom of every document you sign from them...

But they don't have to "go after" her with their limited resources, they can simply wait for her to come to them, after all, she doesn't have the permanent green card yet, as far as I know.

But as I've indicated before, that's between her and them.

And if you think about it, assuming someone has been a victim of a fraudulent tactic that eventually ends in divorce... under the IMBRA laws, under certain circumstances we, as the the US Citizen, have to ASK for a waiver to allow us to do this again...

That alone just kind of crisps my cookie, but hey... what can you do, I didn't write the laws as they are written...

-- dan

And when it comes to INS marriages, what the immigrant does after divorce really plays a huge part as well.

I find this statement very interesting, in this context....

can you be more explicit with why you feel this would be true??

-- Dan

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Again off topic. Read an article last week in the Washington Post. They broke up an illegal marriage ring that was taking place at the ArlingtonCourt house. Guess the admin people tipped off the police. They foundd it odd that these couples in "love" did not sit by each other and made silly spelling errors onthe application. Turns out this illegal operation had been going on for a very long time. Not sure whats going to happen to these people, but the article did say that deportation was a strong possibility. Was an interesting read.

Hi!

The situation you've described is an obvious Fraud as well as the couples seems even didnt know each other.

Maybe the INS is gonna go after these weardows too. ., but in the article i've read was clearly stated that the INS is only after the Multiple rings or another words More then One marriage at the same time.

They are not gonna go after those like for example if you;ve read the posts about Dmartmars story and Pursuede member story and others broken hurts .....posted in this forum...

So the INS is not gonna investigate the cases of their wifes as thats not a Fraud.

Best wishes.

Sincerely.

Not true. You read about the Immigration Service busting "illegal marriage for immigration benefit" rings in the newspaper....but each local office of USCIS has Anti-Fraud investigators, some serve as AOs as well, whose job it is to ferret out those that are utilising marriage for the sole purpose of securing permanent residency. Successful determination of an alien that married for all the wrong purposes, as far as USCIS is concerned, is not uncommon, and just because it doesn't appear as headline news, doesn't mean it doesn't happen nor does it mean that USCIS is not interested in discovering and redressing those individuals.

I'd say that personal experience tells me that your information is inaccurate in so far as which cases of marriage fraud are of interest to USCIS or not.

[KarenCee 3]

Hi! Look, who really cares about all of that? Let us all be honest in that no matter how much in-love you are with your American Citizen second-half or whatever, maybe 98% like the United States too much and wanna stay in this country. There is nothing bad about that, just admit it.

Amen to that!

Now if that 98% would only admit it BEFORE getting married...

I guess I'm in the "2%" then...because I wanted to emigrate to Canada to be with Joel. Unfortunately I have joint custody with my daughter's father. *sigh* Joel immigrated here to be with me since it was not possible for me to move there. It has nothing at all to do with wanting to come to the US. It just happens that I live here. Is that so hard for you to understand dmartmar?

[BJZags 17]

I thought the whol point of the "marriage fraud" act and 2-year conditions was for there to be a mechanism for the govt. to ensure that the marriage actually works out. If it does, then GC and all went the way it was supposed to. If NOT, then the marriage was LEGALLY a fraud, so now no longer entitled to status as PR. Without status, then no longer way to stay in country.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

I thought the whol point of the "marriage fraud" act and 2-year conditions was for there to be a mechanism for the govt. to ensure that the marriage actually works out. If it does, then GC and all went the way it was supposed to. If NOT, then the marriage was LEGALLY a fraud, so now no longer entitled to status as PR. Without status, then no longer way to stay in country.

In my opinion, that's not entirely true. Lasting is not a requirement according to the INA. In fact, there are entitlements afforded aliens that specifically address those for whom marriage was not enduring. The IMFA amendments instituted the "conditional" nature of permanent residence for aliens that had not yet been married 2 years before adusting status. Bear in mind that the regulations call for the alien to demonstrate that intent upon entering the marriage to a USC is not solely for immigration benefit. Naturally, one could argue that if an alien marries a USC petitioner several years prior to being conferred immigrant residency, evidence of co-mingled lives and the time in the marriage itself, shows some commitment on the part of the alien to blend his or her life with the US citizen petitioner, regardless of his or her location. In the case of aliens that are just married, it's not so easy to arrive at such a conclusion.