The Firearms Statistics That Gun Control Advocates Don’t Want to See

[Harsh_77 718]

Why?

Are you going to expose information of 313 million on an open system?

Individuals are not in business of selling firearms.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That is simply not true.

Its just a propoganda by anti gun folks.

Infact last night for first time I heard NPR talk about the gun violence being lowest since 94

Actually, it's not propaganda. It's the result of scientific research.

We just had a 3 year old off himself with his uncle's gun. Bet that family is mighty glad that they had the means to protect themselves from intruders. Imagine what could have happened to that little boy had they not had the means to protect themselves. He might have died in a home invasion. Oh, wait...

[Harsh_77 718]

Actually, it's not propaganda. It's the result of scientific research.

We just had a 3 year old off himself with his uncle's gun. Bet that family is mighty glad that they had the means to protect themselves from intruders. Imagine what could have happened to that little boy had they not had the means to protect themselves. He might have died in a home invasion. Oh, wait...

Last night a store owner defended his business and his life from armed robbery.

Police took an hour to show up after 911 call. This was from major metroplex with enough police force on the ground.

There were 5 robbers and just 1 store owner, if same thing happen at some home what you gonna do?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Last night a store owner defended his business and his life from armed robbery.

Police took an hour to show up after 911 call. This was from major metroplex with enough police force on the ground.

There were 5 robbers and just 1 store owner, if same thing happen at some home what you gonna do?

What store, where? Link or it didn't happen.

A gun in the house is 12 times more likely to kill a member or visitor of the household than an intruder. It's really simple. The risk you take by having a gun in the house far outweighs the benefit.

[Harsh_77 718]

What store, where? Link or it didn't happen.

A gun in the house is 12 times more likely to kill a member or visitor of the household than an intruder. It's really simple. The risk you take by having a gun in the house far outweighs the benefit.

Are you only going to believe if there is link?

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/05/08/dallas-pd-attributes-slow-response-time-to-callers-accent/

Having a gun in house just does not make the house more dangerous, you have more dangerous items in the house including the chemical and prec meds.

Edited May 8, 2013 by Harsh_77

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Having a gun in house just does not make the house more dangerous, you have more dangerous items in the house including the chemical and prec meds.

Nonsense. Show me the evidence.

As for guns causing mayhem in this country? Here you go - all kinds of hurt. Every now and then, someone defends oneself but that is the rare exception against this huge number of people getting shot each year in this country.

Do 100,000 people get shot every year in U.S.? Facebook post says yes

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A reader sent us this Facebook post on gun violence in the United States. Is it accurate?

In the wake of the mass shooting in Aurora, Colo., Americans took to social media to express their views on guns and violence.

A reader sent us one Facebook post about the extent of gun violence in the United States. It said, "USA is #1 in gun violence. Nearly 100,000 people get shot every year. That's 270 people a day and 87 dead because of gun violence every day."

In this item, we’ll look at the second half of that claim: "Nearly 100,000 people get shot every year. That's 270 people a day and 87 dead."

The numbers

We turned to statistics from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; experts in the field told us it keeps the most reliable statistics on the subject. The CDC collects two sets of relevant data.

The first is data for deaths by guns, which is included in an annual report about deaths of all types during calendar year 2009. The numbers for gun deaths is broken down into several categories:

Suicide: 18,735 deaths

Homicide: 11,493 deaths

Unintentional: 554 deaths

Legal interventions: 333 deaths

Undetermined: 232 deaths

Total: 31,347 deaths

The second data set tracks non-fatal injuries by guns. According to the CDC, there were 73,505 non-fatal firearm injuries in 2010. (We will ignore an additional 13,851 non-fatal injuries from BB or pellet guns.)

How accurate is the Facebook post?

If you add together the gun deaths and the non-fatal gun injuries, you get 104,852 people shot every year. That’s very close to what the Facebook post said. The Facebook post was also close in its daily averages -- 287 people shot every day, and 86 deaths by gun every day.

There’s one area, however, in which the Facebook post could have benefited from additional context. It says that "nearly 100,000 people get shot every year," which to us suggests that a victim is being shot by someone else. In reality, a significant majority of gun deaths comes from self-inflicted firearm wounds.

If you ignore the suicides -- and if you assume that relatively few people survive a suicide attempt with a firearm (we couldn’t find any hard data on that question) -- then the number of people who got shot, either fatally or non-fatally, was about 86,000, or roughly 235 a day. That’s lower than the Facebook post indicated. And the daily number of firearm deaths would be substantially lower -- 35 per day, rather than the 87 cited in the Facebook post.

Our ruling

The numbers in the Facebook post are close to accurate, as long as you make one major assumption -- that suicides count as "get(ting) shot." We think that assumption is debatable, but there is no question that at least 100,000 people did die or become injured from firearms. On balance, we rate this claim Mostly True.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Are you going to expose information of 313 million on an open system?

Individuals are not in business of selling firearms.

No reason for that, private sales can be checked by the local police dept. before the sale is approved.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The primary risk factor of having a firearm in the house is that it becomes the preferred method of suicide. People should realize that suicide by firearm is very risky and that there are better suicide methods.

Women are more likely to be killed in domestic disputes in households with guns. Kids are more likely to be hurt or killed in households with guns. Visitors to households with guns are at grater risks then visitors to households without guns. You can slice and dice this any way you want. The bottom line is that a gun in the household increases the risk of injury and death to members and visitors of that household. That risk far outweighs any benefit this gun would deliver in terms of protecting the household. These are the cold, hard facts.

[Ban Hammer 13,577]

The primary risk factor of having a firearm in the house is that it becomes the preferred method of suicide. People should realize that suicide by firearm is very risky and that there are better suicide methods.

seppuku!

[Harsh_77 718]

No reason for that, private sales can be checked by the local police dept. before the sale is approved.

So every sales has to go thru the police dept?

Like they are not overloaded with the work load now they would be required to do this additional chck and paperwork.

[Harsh_77 718]

Nonsense. Show me the evidence.

As for guns causing mayhem in this country? Here you go - all kinds of hurt. Every now and then, someone defends oneself but that is the rare exception against this huge number of people getting shot each year in this country.

Do 100,000 people get shot every year in U.S.? Facebook post says yes

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A reader sent us this Facebook post on gun violence in the United States. Is it accurate?

In the wake of the mass shooting in Aurora, Colo., Americans took to social media to express their views on guns and violence.

A reader sent us one Facebook post about the extent of gun violence in the United States. It said, "USA is #1 in gun violence. Nearly 100,000 people get shot every year. That's 270 people a day and 87 dead because of gun violence every day."

In this item, we’ll look at the second half of that claim: "Nearly 100,000 people get shot every year. That's 270 people a day and 87 dead."

The numbers

We turned to statistics from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; experts in the field told us it keeps the most reliable statistics on the subject. The CDC collects two sets of relevant data.

The first is data for deaths by guns, which is included in an annual report about deaths of all types during calendar year 2009. The numbers for gun deaths is broken down into several categories:

Suicide: 18,735 deaths

Homicide: 11,493 deaths

Unintentional: 554 deaths

Legal interventions: 333 deaths

Undetermined: 232 deaths

Total: 31,347 deaths

The second data set tracks non-fatal injuries by guns. According to the CDC, there were 73,505 non-fatal firearm injuries in 2010. (We will ignore an additional 13,851 non-fatal injuries from BB or pellet guns.)

How accurate is the Facebook post?

If you add together the gun deaths and the non-fatal gun injuries, you get 104,852 people shot every year. That’s very close to what the Facebook post said. The Facebook post was also close in its daily averages -- 287 people shot every day, and 86 deaths by gun every day.

There’s one area, however, in which the Facebook post could have benefited from additional context. It says that "nearly 100,000 people get shot every year," which to us suggests that a victim is being shot by someone else. In reality, a significant majority of gun deaths comes from self-inflicted firearm wounds.

If you ignore the suicides -- and if you assume that relatively few people survive a suicide attempt with a firearm (we couldn’t find any hard data on that question) -- then the number of people who got shot, either fatally or non-fatally, was about 86,000, or roughly 235 a day. That’s lower than the Facebook post indicated. And the daily number of firearm deaths would be substantially lower -- 35 per day, rather than the 87 cited in the Facebook post.

Our ruling

The numbers in the Facebook post are close to accurate, as long as you make one major assumption -- that suicides count as "get(ting) shot." We think that assumption is debatable, but there is no question that at least 100,000 people did die or become injured from firearms. On balance, we rate this claim Mostly True.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story

[JohnR! 5,495]

So every sales has to go thru the police dept?

Like they are not overloaded with the work load now they would be required to do this additional chck and paperwork.

You should tell that to the nutjobs at the NRA who believe they have nothing to do with guns on the streets, and advocate that is the police's job to ensure everyone is safe from the guns they tout.

[Harsh_77 718]

You should tell that to the nutjobs at the NRA who believe they have nothing to do with guns on the streets, and advocate that is the police's job to ensure everyone is safe from the guns they tout.

So anti gun lobby is not suggesting anything different from NRA either.

[JohnR! 5,495]

So anti gun lobby is not suggesting anything different from NRA either.

The implication of which being that it would make sense that all gun sales go through the police dept. QED.

[Harsh_77 718]

The implication of which being that it would make sense that all gun sales go through the police dept. QED.

so u suggest all sales go thru police dept, hence u are ok with police doing additional work but you are not ok with police patroling the school.