Ted Cruz was born in Alberta

[mota bhai 2,675]

Are you talking about the 2nd amendment?

The world has changed a lot since the 18th century, but not enough to make the 2nd Amendment obsolete.

[JohnR! 5,495]

The world has changed a lot since the 18th century, but not enough to make the 2nd Amendment obsolete.

That is debatable. The concept of 'arms' has changed drastically since the 18th century.

[Teddy B 17,252]

The world has changed a lot since the 18th century, but not enough to make the 2nd Amendment obsolete.

Obsolete, no. But in need of a serious overhaul, yes.

Btw, Gary hasn't been here in a while, so I figured I change the context of the thread over to guns instead of the original topic. Someone's gotta do it.

Edited May 6, 2013 by Teddy B

[mota bhai 2,675]

That is debatable. The concept of 'arms' has changed drastically since the 18th century.

What is not debatable is that free states, even today, can have their security threatened. Humanity has not changed that much in 200 years.

Obsolete, no. But in need of a serious overhaul, yes.

Sure. It probably does need a good rewrite.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

What is not debatable is that free states, even today, can have their security threatened. Humanity has not changed that much in 200 years.

Yep. An armed insurgency is always a threat to a free society. I guess some folks would prefer the USA to be more like Kandahar.

[JohnR! 5,495]

What is not debatable is that free states, even today, can have their security threatened. Humanity has not changed that much in 200 years.

Alas it has too. The security threats we have faced in the last century are not the kind the arms outlined in the 2nd ammendment can fight or mitigate.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Obsolete, no. But in need of a serious overhaul, yes.

Maybe we can remove that part of the Constitution that prohibits a standing arming except in times of war, and only for two years.

[mota bhai 2,675]

Yep. An armed insurgency is always a threat to a free society. I guess some folks would prefer the USA to be more like Kandahar.

It's a balancing act. On one hand, you can have a completely disarmed population, one subject to all forms of oppression by power-hungry politicians and bureaucrats and foreign powers. On the other hand, you can have a society where everyone is armed to the teeth and there is no regulation or system whatsoever - the wild west or contemporary Kandahar,

The middle ground is a well regulated militia, drawn from the population when necessary. Of course, that can't be done if the population is not armed.

[GandD 5,966]

Humanity has not changed that much in 200 years.

Agreed.

Weapons have changed dramatically though. Perhaps laws surrounding them might be able to change ever so slightly? Oh wait, I just fell down the slope. No change ever. The tiniest change in gun law immediately equals this:

[JohnR! 5,495]

The middle ground is a well regulated militia, drawn from the population when necessary. Of course, that can't be done if the population is not armed.

Is that not the concept of the several local and state polices?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Is that not the concept of the several local and state polices?

No, but it is the concept of the National Guard.

[JohnR! 5,495]

No, but it is the concept of the National Guard.

Either way, they represent the state militias outlined in the constitution.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Either way, they represent the state militias outlined in the constitution.

Well, the National Guard does consider themselves the evolution of the Minutemen.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Well, the National Guard does consider themselves the evolution of the Minutemen.

And I don't dispute that. They are part of the militia of which the Constitution speaks.

[Darnell 8,479]

Mr. Cruz was born in Canada to an American-born mother and Cuban-born father, and was a citizen from birth — but that Canadian factor puts him in the company of other past candidates who have had their eligibility questioned because of the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen.”

Sorry, eligibility denied,

not 'eligibility questioned'.

He knew what's up, Mr. Cruz - he won't be complaining about it.