Later

[Lurker 0]

Thought I would let you all know that this forum is bullshite. Some people want to play games and harrass others that are here for pure support.

I wasn't born yesterday as I am a programmer and have been a programmer for 15 years...I know what is going on here with these two by the names of: "My Le", "GOSSIPSAIGON". Thse accounts are just made up....Oh let me guess...someone will say the date reflects that. You can create any accounts using this forum format with any date you want. These 2 were just made up by the admin of the boards here who have a problem with my views...or a problem with my soon to be wife because she is north vietnamese. It is no secret that southern vietnamese have a problem with nvn like my wife, and or have a problem with me being a patriot...or my patriotic point of views. It is no secret that some American's have this stereotype about nvn people. That is why my love knows when she comes here she cannot associate with others too much here becuase the minute they hear her accent....

It is no wonder Matt_Stevens left the forum as well. I must say that I thought I had a place to rest my worries, or my most troubled moments when needed. I was wrong. Seems that people have a political problem in here who wish to de-moralize others with different views than them.

As for those that think this has stopped me from trying help cleanup the consulates...I will use everything in my power to continue to do so...not just for the sake of me...but for the sake of future Americans.

I guess it is only for me to find the strength and courage and have to deal with these difficuilties on my own without a forum for support.

Thanks for nothing.

[Ken_Maria 0]

Thought I would let you all know that this forum is bullshite. Some people want to play games and harrass others that are here for pure support.

I wasn't born yesterday as I am a programmer and have been a programmer for 15 years...I know what is going on here with these two by the names of: "My Le", "GOSSIPSAIGON". Thse accounts are just made up....Oh let me guess...someone will say the date reflects that. You can create any accounts using this forum format with any date you want. These 2 were just made up by the admin of the boards here who have a problem with my views...or a problem with my soon to be wife because she is north vietnamese. It is no secret that southern vietnamese have a problem with nvn like my wife, and or have a problem with me being a patriot...or my patriotic point of views. It is no secret that some American's have this stereotype about nvn people. That is why my love knows when she comes here she cannot associate with others too much here becuase the minute they hear her accent....

It is no wonder Matt_Stevens left the forum as well. I must say that I thought I had a place to rest my worries, or my most troubled moments when needed. I was wrong. Seems that people have a political problem in here who wish to de-moralize others with different views than them.

As for those that think this has stopped me from trying help cleanup the consulates...I will use everything in my power to continue to do so...not just for the sake of me...but for the sake of future Americans.

I guess it is only for me to find the strength and courage and have to deal with these difficuilties on my own without a forum for support.

Thanks for nothing.

Lurker, Not sure what youa re talking about as I ahve not seen any flaming or personal attacks in this forum. If you are giving up because of a few people, they have won and you have given them exactly what they want. I would report them to the admin and IPs not user IDs can be blocked. Good luck Payato

[kitkat1 5]

these two by the names of: "My Le", "GOSSIPSAIGON". These 2 were just made up by the admin of the boards here who have a problem with my views

I must say that I thought I had a place to rest my worries, or my most troubled moments when needed. I was wrong. Seems that people have a political problem in here who wish to de-moralize others with different views than them.

As for those that think this has stopped me from trying help cleanup the consulates...I will use everything in my power to continue to do so...not just for the sake of me...but for the sake of future Americans.

Lurker, I don't know the whole story but I can say this:

1) The admins of this site have no time to get involved with making up names and posting opposite to your view. Instead, those are real members, albeit obviously not supportive one.

2) VJ really did used to be a great place for excellent advice and support on the whole immigration progress but unforunately, it has really gone downhill lately in all of the forums. In some cases it's one or two troublemakers or trolls but it's widespread.

3) Whatever your goals to clean up the consulates - best of luck and do everything you can. I have already contracted the District Director in Mexico regarding a few specific issues but when this is all over I will write a long, letter describing in great detail all of the errors, miscommunication and outright lies they have provided to USC petitioners. I think it's well worth the fight.

Best of luck to you.

[dalegg 143]

Thought I would let you all know that this forum is bullshite. Some people want to play games and harrass others that are here for pure support.

I wasn't born yesterday as I am a programmer and have been a programmer for 15 years...I know what is going on here with these two by the names of: "My Le", "GOSSIPSAIGON". Thse accounts are just made up....

They are definitely not board administrators. I am 99.99% sure My Le is a an actual petitioner. GOSSIPSAIGON was much more active on this forum 2 years ago so I don't know much about them. I'm pretty sure he is an actual petitioner too, but if he isn't maybe he works in HCMC, not for VJ.

You know, if I was the suspicious type, I would say maybe that you you were a previous member that quit VJ and made up a new name. But I'm sure it's just coincidental that you joined the same time CharlieBox quit, you have links to his website, and your fiance is also North Vietnamese.

[GREEN/TRAN 0]

Thought I would let you all know that this forum is bullshite. Some people want to play games and harrass others that are here for pure support.

I wasn't born yesterday as I am a programmer and have been a programmer for 15 years...I know what is going on here with these two by the names of: "My Le", "GOSSIPSAIGON". Thse accounts are just made up....

They are definitely not board administrators. I am 99.99% sure My Le is a an actual petitioner. GOSSIPSAIGON was much more active on this forum 2 years ago so I don't know much about them. I'm pretty sure he is an actual petitioner too, but if he isn't maybe he works in HCMC, not for VJ.

You know, if I was the suspicious type, I would say maybe that you you were a previous member that quit VJ and made up a new name. But I'm sure it's just coincidental that you joined the same time CharlieBox quit, you have links to his website, and your fiance is also North Vietnamese.

MY GIRL IS NORTH VIETNAMESE TOO BUT LIVING IN HCMC WHATS THE BIG DEAL

[dalegg 143]

Thought I would let you all know that this forum is bullshite. Some people want to play games and harrass others that are here for pure support.

I wasn't born yesterday as I am a programmer and have been a programmer for 15 years...I know what is going on here with these two by the names of: "My Le", "GOSSIPSAIGON". Thse accounts are just made up....

They are definitely not board administrators. I am 99.99% sure My Le is a an actual petitioner. GOSSIPSAIGON was much more active on this forum 2 years ago so I don't know much about them. I'm pretty sure he is an actual petitioner too, but if he isn't maybe he works in HCMC, not for VJ.

You know, if I was the suspicious type, I would say maybe that you you were a previous member that quit VJ and made up a new name. But I'm sure it's just coincidental that you joined the same time CharlieBox quit, you have links to his website, and your fiance is also North Vietnamese.

MY GIRL IS NORTH VIETNAMESE TOO BUT LIVING IN HCMC WHATS THE BIG DEAL

nothing. that's the point.

[trey 0]

I don't know whats going on and it doesn't really matter. This is an open forum. People are free to come and go as they choose. People are also free to offer advice and ask for it as they choose, as well as accept or deny any advice offered. To get upset about any particular issue to the point you start posting slurs is, in my opinion, irrational and immature. Oh, and being a programmer doesn't make you any different than anyone else.

[patricks 0]

*Living and working in VN can be a very trying experience. (VNs dealings are not always black & white)

*Personal and working relationships with the Vietnamese people can very disappointing at times.

*You must dot your i's and cross your t's PLUS not have any "red flags" in your past, or else, the marriage visa process in HCMC is a great challenge.

Sometimes, it's just NOT a pretty sight, period! Therefore, if you're expecting people to always be positive and supportive, that just isn't realistic, just like the Vietnam experience itself...............

However, VN can be GREAT too....

it's a Love 60/Hate 40% relationship for me

[My Le 0]

Thought I would let you all know that this forum is bullshite. Some people want to play games and harrass others that are here for pure support.

I wasn't born yesterday as I am a programmer and have been a programmer for 15 years...I know what is going on here with these two by the names of: "My Le", "GOSSIPSAIGON". Thse accounts are just made up....Oh let me guess...someone will say the date reflects that. You can create any accounts using this forum format with any date you want. These 2 were just made up by the admin of the boards here who have a problem with my views...or a problem with my soon to be wife because she is north vietnamese. It is no secret that southern vietnamese have a problem with nvn like my wife, and or have a problem with me being a patriot...or my patriotic point of views. It is no secret that some American's have this stereotype about nvn people. That is why my love knows when she comes here she cannot associate with others too much here becuase the minute they hear her accent....

It is no wonder Matt_Stevens left the forum as well. I must say that I thought I had a place to rest my worries, or my most troubled moments when needed. I was wrong. Seems that people have a political problem in here who wish to de-moralize others with different views than them.

As for those that think this has stopped me from trying help cleanup the consulates...I will use everything in my power to continue to do so...not just for the sake of me...but for the sake of future Americans.

I guess it is only for me to find the strength and courage and have to deal with these difficuilties on my own without a forum for support.

Thanks for nothing.

Hi, Lurker, this is my le, I'm real and not "made up" of any sort.

Sorry for causing you distress but that has completly been out of my intention. The point is that you may misunderstand something. Or maybe we are at different ends of mentality like East and West. I was born in Vietnam and you were not right? Then when I first time arrived to the US, I was thirty + already? But no matter how different we are, please note that I'm always on your side and what I wrote to GOSSIPSAIGON on the other thread is just a way to help myself to relax while being in an extremely hot weather in Saigon where I'm in now, and when I did that I didn't anticipate that it hurts you as I never meant it. And by the way, may I ask you in what I wrote to him what has made you think I'm not supportive?

And I swear that my writing to him has nothing to do with your fiancee's background. Also, let me assure you, it has nothing to do with anything that has been causing you distress. Up to here, I guess that you misunderstood myself. Due to different mentality, jokes could totally be different from each other side. What I wrote him was just pure joke and also intended to direct to him and to him only, and it was for the sake of humor, not playing game to anyone.

I understand that maybe you are being in a state of great confusion.

By the way, I like to tell you that I greatly admire your attitude toward justice. You have a good sense of right and wrong. I like that a great deal and I wish I could arm myself with that. Moreover, I have the feeling that you have zero tolerance on wrong as people have on drugs. That's wonderful! Then I wish you could stick very well to your quest for justice and come up with a good strategy and workable tactics to fight for it. Oh I always love to listen to "The Impossible Dream" operatically or whatever, and I wish I could perform it well too.

I wish I could have more time and be able to withstand the hot weather to write you more. I'm sitting in an internet booth with no air conditioning. They do have places like this with AC in here, but smoking is not prohibited, so no way I can sit in long.

All I could say now is wishing you wisdom and great patience besides strenght and courage as your quest is just too great a task. Moreover, I wish I could be of help for right now, let me know of anything I could do to make you just out of confusion first then to prepare for you for the better to proceed your noble task.

Sincerely,

[wait4ever 0]

Thought I would let you all know that this forum is bullshite. Some people want to play games and harrass others that are here for pure support.

I wasn't born yesterday as I am a programmer and have been a programmer for 15 years...I know what is going on here with these two by the names of: "My Le", "GOSSIPSAIGON". Thse accounts are just made up....Oh let me guess...someone will say the date reflects that. You can create any accounts using this forum format with any date you want. These 2 were just made up by the admin of the boards here who have a problem with my views...or a problem with my soon to be wife because she is north vietnamese. It is no secret that southern vietnamese have a problem with nvn like my wife, and or have a problem with me being a patriot...or my patriotic point of views. It is no secret that some American's have this stereotype about nvn people. That is why my love knows when she comes here she cannot associate with others too much here becuase the minute they hear her accent....

It is no wonder Matt_Stevens left the forum as well. I must say that I thought I had a place to rest my worries, or my most troubled moments when needed. I was wrong. Seems that people have a political problem in here who wish to de-moralize others with different views than them.

As for those that think this has stopped me from trying help cleanup the consulates...I will use everything in my power to continue to do so...not just for the sake of me...but for the sake of future Americans.

I guess it is only for me to find the strength and courage and have to deal with these difficuilties on my own without a forum for support.

Thanks for nothing.

Lurker, it would be unfortunate if you left VJ. This is a great source for information, if you use it. It is also an open forum, so you can get a wide variety of answers and comments. Like all information, you have to sift through it and determine if it is useable. There are things to learn even in the responses of the most suspicious VJers.

The flip side of posting here is that sometimes you get flamed. Sometimes the Vietnam family is a little tough in their response, so you need to have thick skin. Consider it a primer for dealing with the US Consulate.

I'm not sure about your perceived prejudice against North Vietnamese. In most countries the Northerners and Southerners have stereotypes about each other. That does not mean that they hate each other. I took my Delta girl to the north once, she got along great with them. Sure, we make jokes about the cold soup they serve and some of the different words they use, but it's just in fun. The little differences make life interesting. Also, the war was a long time ago. The Vietnamese just want to move on.

My Le and his wife have suffered some very rough treatment from the Consular officers and have persevered. I am quite sure he is for real.

Of all people, I support your pursuit of Consular reform. Glad to hear you are a patriot. For the sake of future US citizens and their foreign loved ones, I hope you achieve a measure of success. Stick around VJ, you might learn a little more. And others might learn from you.

[chuckandkim 0]

Who started this? North and South people in VN are still struggling with their differences. So what, that's not the objective and target which Lurker seems to lose focus along the way here. Engaging into this type of destructive responses to other members throu outburst of name callings and misused of the forums do nothing but adding more stress to others, including yourself. I keep saying: stay on focus Lurker! My Le is real! Gossipsaigon: not sure where has this individual been, but this is the first time for a long while he/she returns to VJ. Neither here or there, I read the other thread and meant to respond to your post and others, I chose not to for one reason: it has nothing to do with getting your fiance's a VISA to come here.

Think: people would have way too much time if they have to go through "creating different login names, just to mess with you", they are missing out and wasting valueable times. instead they should be working on their own case. Just like you!

About your fiancee being northern, she should have known that would be a problem with the southerner already. That is nothing special or new here! I speak both North and South Accent, why? Born that way, mom and dad are north and southerner. Just has to be cool about it. Don't blame everything on her accent, and don't believe everything you hear or see. I doubt it if people dislike someone because of their accent, people dislike someone for who he is or she is, that's how I am anyway! You?

I keep saying again and again, back to topic Lurker and stay focus. As waitforever said, it's unfortunate if you leave this family.

My first plead: Please stay! Anyone wants to join me... ????

[Lurker 0]

Lurker,

You obviously misjudged some of the people on these forums and there is a warrant for an apology Lurker. You should be a bit more understanding as perception is law, and how others perceive what you say is not always what your original intentions are.

Enough with the 3rd person…I am sorry (toi xin loi rat nhieu) I came across wrong to others. I am a very hard person on others and myself when it comes to right/wrong…but I have never been accused of not admitting when I am wrong.

As for this journey…I was in the 1st Iraq war…watched buddies get hurt, even myself. But nothing can compare to the stress knowing that her interview is equivalent to a lottery drawing…it just kills me. Even on the battlefield…there is a great distinction between everything else….but this interview stress is killing me. Even in programming…you can predict the outcome of things and cut them off at the pass. Everything is predicable but this interview is not. I am virtually living off of coffee and cigarettes now. I will not tell my Vo about this as I don’t want her to worry.

I apologize to My Le for being silly. It just was a great surprise that some nick came from nowhere and even after searching the forums for prior posts…it seemed clear to me that it was all made up.

As for the North/South thing... Most of my “so-called” friends here were South Vietnamese. As soon as they found out about my Vo…they came out right away with the “Why? There are plenty of Southern woman there”. Soon after, they stopped returning my phone calls…stopped responding to me completely. These are friends that I knew and hung out with very often for the greater portion of 3 years. Nevertheless, I got the hint. I then started wondering to myself and trying to recall if I have ever met or heard a Northern person here where I live. I cannot recall. Now I ask myself….”Why is that?” Are they hiding? Are they just not here? This is still a huge mystery for me.

I am very well versed in Southern and Northern traditions as I have been to VN 6 times now and have read many books and articles….I have also been to both Saigon and Hanoi and everywhere in between. But some things are not talked about….only done.

So I can only conclude that my Vo will have a hard time associating with any VN here because A) I haven’t seen any NVN here and B) What my friends did by not returning my calls after they found about her and where she was from. I assume she cannot associate with SVN here by that.

So what can I do for her when she comes here? She knows just as well as I do about all the facts above…I make it a point to ensure she knows and expects anything and everything when she comes here. I don’t want her surprised at all.

Sincerely,

Lurker

[My Le 0]

Lurker,

You obviously misjudged some of the people on these forums and there is a warrant for an apology Lurker. You should be a bit more understanding as perception is law, and how others perceive what you say is not always what your original intentions are.

Enough with the 3rd person…I am sorry (toi xin loi rat nhieu) I came across wrong to others. I am a very hard person on others and myself when it comes to right/wrong…but I have never been accused of not admitting when I am wrong.

As for this journey…I was in the 1st Iraq war…watched buddies get hurt, even myself. But nothing can compare to the stress knowing that her interview is equivalent to a lottery drawing…it just kills me. Even on the battlefield…there is a great distinction between everything else….but this interview stress is killing me. Even in programming…you can predict the outcome of things and cut them off at the pass. Everything is predicable but this interview is not. I am virtually living off of coffee and cigarettes now. I will not tell my Vo about this as I don’t want her to worry.

I apologize to My Le for being silly. It just was a great surprise that some nick came from nowhere and even after searching the forums for prior posts…it seemed clear to me that it was all made up.

As for the North/South thing... Most of my “so-called” friends here were South Vietnamese. As soon as they found out about my Vo…they came out right away with the “Why? There are plenty of Southern woman there”. Soon after, they stopped returning my phone calls…stopped responding to me completely. These are friends that I knew and hung out with very often for the greater portion of 3 years. Nevertheless, I got the hint. I then started wondering to myself and trying to recall if I have ever met or heard a Northern person here where I live. I cannot recall. Now I ask myself….”Why is that?” Are they hiding? Are they just not here? This is still a huge mystery for me.

I am very well versed in Southern and Northern traditions as I have been to VN 6 times now and have read many books and articles….I have also been to both Saigon and Hanoi and everywhere in between. But some things are not talked about….only done.

So I can only conclude that my Vo will have a hard time associating with any VN here because A) I haven’t seen any NVN here and B) What my friends did by not returning my calls after they found about her and where she was from. I assume she cannot associate with SVN here by that.

So what can I do for her when she comes here? She knows just as well as I do about all the facts above…I make it a point to ensure she knows and expects anything and everything when she comes here. I don’t want her surprised at all.

Sincerely,

Lurker

Now you understand. That's great! And actually you don't have to apologize, but you already did, then I would say "apology accepted!" to make things simple. Right now, as I was a soldier too, all I can tell you is just to look at what you and your lovebird will have to deal with at the consulate as a strange battlefield where every soldier is required of his/her utmost care, patience, and creatitity. Your goal in the first place should be just to get the visa for her. Stay focus on that goal for the moment and stick to it, then do the rest like "straightening things" and all else later... About the problem between North and South, that's a big thing too, and it's far beyond my ability , so I don't know how to tell. Just think of forgiveness, redemption....

Best of luck.

[wait4ever 0]

Lurker,

As for the North/South thing... Most of my “so-called” friends here were South Vietnamese. As soon as they found out about my Vo…they came out right away with the “Why? There are plenty of Southern woman there”. Soon after, they stopped returning my phone calls…stopped responding to me completely. These are friends that I knew and hung out with very often for the greater portion of 3 years. Nevertheless, I got the hint. I then started wondering to myself and trying to recall if I have ever met or heard a Northern person here where I live. I cannot recall. Now I ask myself….”Why is that?” Are they hiding? Are they just not here? This is still a huge mystery for me.

I am very well versed in Southern and Northern traditions as I have been to VN 6 times now and have read many books and articles….I have also been to both Saigon and Hanoi and everywhere in between. But some things are not talked about….only done.

So I can only conclude that my Vo will have a hard time associating with any VN here because A) I haven’t seen any NVN here and B) What my friends did by not returning my calls after they found about her and where she was from. I assume she cannot associate with SVN here by that.

So what can I do for her when she comes here? She knows just as well as I do about all the facts above…I make it a point to ensure she knows and expects anything and everything when she comes here. I don’t want her surprised at all.

Sincerely,

Lurker

Some of the early refugees from North Vietnam were government officials with ties to the French government. They emmigrated to France.

The much larger wave of South Vietnamese refugees came after the US military withdrew from Vietnam and the South Vietnamese military collapsed. As the North Vietnamese swept southward, there were mass evacuations of all types, as I am sure you are aware of. Thus, you will find a much larger proportion of South Vietnamese among the US population. However, there are some Northerners mixed in. I know of one large family where the father was from Saigon and the mother from North Vietnam. She still speaks with a Northern dialect, very noticeable.

As to any rift between Northern and Southern Vietnamese here in the US, I cannot speak to that. Others here in the Vietnam family might be more familiar with this dynamic. I can't imagine that it would be that much of problem. Chances are that your wife is probably the same age as many American born Vietnamese. I wouldn't think that that kind of social stigma would transfer to Vietnamese born here.

[chuckandkim 0]

North vs. South, the constant struggle in every country, even here in the US. It will continue no matter what people say... there will be folks who just can't understand the fact the South had lost the Civil War for the longest time, still drag around the Confederate flag on the back of their pick-up trucks... Oh wait, this is about North and South Vietnamese...

Here is how I understand a bit of history: 1954, French lost the battle of "DIEN BIEN PHU" to Ho-Chi-Minh's "Viet-Minh" army. Signed a truce to stop the fight, and divided Vietnam into two countries at longitude 17. The french withdrew from Hanoi, massive evacuation of north vietnamese catholics, protestants and the likes were loaded up on the french ships, trains and planes heading SOUTH. Well, long story short, the northerners are now become part of The Republic of South Vietnam country, known as "BAC 54". These "Bac 54" is considered and accepted among southerners as "our people" as opposed to the Northerners who went South after the Fall of Saigon in 1975. These northerners are called "Bac-ky-75" by the southerners to differenciate with the "Bac-54". Most southerners who left Vietnam when the North took over Saigon carry with them the anger and hatrates I can not explain in a few words here on the forums, just need sometimes to talk to some southerners in South Cali or Houston Texas, You'll get the sense of hate still in their heart. "Bac-ky-75" are considered the invaders of the South Vietnam for years, although most southerners in Vietnam nowadays rarely or openly amitted that feeling, but it's there and they just accepted the fact:I just let it go, but we still know you're who you are and we are who we are!

That's how I understand this struggles between the north and south. I myself am the son of a northerner mother and southerner father, as many of vietnamese, I careless for the old school angers. It's time for healing and reconcile the differences. After all, it's one country, one people and one bottle of Fishsause!!!

You concern about how your Vo will be accepted here in America. NO TO WORRY! We are all refugees, immigrants here on this great land of America. Yes, I'm speaking to the Naturalized US Citizens as well! So what rights can they say to your Vo when she comes here or judge her for she is from the NORTH Vietnam. speak to Mike E. on this board, his Vo is a wonderful North Vietnamese woman, from the heart of Hanoi.... Nobody is more NORTH than she is. I'm sure there are many Northerners who feel the unfriendly looks from the southerners around the Vietnamese community, don't be... Considered it's rude to many when one disrepects one's VO because of her origin. AMEN???? The so-called friends you mentioned, they need to get over themselves, they aren't any better than anyone. Once you are here on this land, your rights are equal to mine. If anything, those are the guys who went back to Vietnam every years and fearfully walking through the Custom Boarder Checkpoint at TAN SON NHAT everytime, scare sheeitless at the Vietnamese police and security... but when they are back in the States, they'll be talking ####### how they would have kicked some arrsses in Saigon and stuff.

Just relax and as I kept saying: stay focus, get your visa and remember: payback is a $@%@#

So you're ok now? Back on VJ brother...